2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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UNCBAdookJD said:
These undecided voters on CNN are infuriating. This one lady says in one breath that she’s all up in the news with watching it on TV and listening to podcasts from NPR, CNN, and Fox. In the next breath she says she has no idea who people like John Kelly and Jim Mattis are and it all just sounds like high school gossip.
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These people are liars. They are not undecided. They just like the attention that comes with declaring yourself as such.
 
heelinhell said:
Deja Vu all over again ?

www.rawstory.com

Michigan's Mideast minority tempted to punish Harris in U.S. vote

Iman Beydoun El-sayed is among the thousands of Lebanese-Americans living in and around Detroit, watching with horror the unfolding devastation of the war in the Middle East."I've always voted more Democrat. I've always been a Democrat, but with what's going on, I'm not sure how I feel about...
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I'm sort of out of ideas for how to explain to leftists that not voting for Harris isn't punishing her at all, it's punishing leftists and the causes they claim to care about. If Kamala Harris doesn't win the presidency she'll still be rich, famous, and politically influential. But leftists will see issues they claim to care about get worse all over the map - from Gaza to immigration to health care to economic reform. You simply cannot reason with some of these people; they refuse to acknowledge basic cause and effect. They always focus on this idea of whether Kamala or Democrats "deserve" their vote or whether their conscience permits them to cast a vote "in favor of genocide" or that they are going to "send a message to Democrats" by withholding their vote. They routinely exhibit a complete misunderstanding of political incentives and the way political power is gained and exercised. I don't know whether it's naivete or immaturity or what. Just can't seem to break through and convince them that they aren't going to succeed in punishing anyone but themselves and the people they claim to care about.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
These focus groups are now a total joke, imo. There have been several instances just this year of CNN or another network doing one of these panels of "undecided" voters, only to have it proven later (usually via their social media posts) that several of the panelists were in fact Trumpers. On CNN one woman actually said she had voted for Trump twice and was "leaning towards" voting for him again, but CNN had still put her on the panel as an "undecided." It's ridiculous, and I have little doubt that the great majority of people on these panels have already made up their minds and know who they're voting for. They are lying and claiming they're undecided because A) It gives them a chance to get on national television, and/or B) If they're a Trumper they can pretend to be undecided and then announce on television that they've made up their mind and Trump is now their guy.
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After she was introduced, Harris thanked everyone for being there and answered some questions from AC and explained the stark contrast between herself and the tangerine tyrant and included in that answer she mentioned ALL the republicans who’ve come out in support of her and endorsed her, campaigning with Liz Cheney etc… and the FIRST question was from a women who asked her how she would work with republicans to narrow the divide between us…. Like ma’am did you hear ANY of what she JUST said?
 
lightbluenc said:
Dems have been bending over backwards (example the border bill) to work with Republicans for 4 years. But R's don't want to give any ground or give any "wins" to a Dem administration at the cost to the American people. R's then blame "Washington" for not getting things done.
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They gotta "own the libs" at all cost, bro.
 
rodoheel said:
I'm sort of out of ideas for how to explain to leftists that not voting for Harris isn't punishing her at all, it's punishing leftists and the causes they claim to care about. If Kamala Harris doesn't win the presidency she'll still be rich, famous, and politically influential. But leftists will see issues they claim to care about get worse all over the map - from Gaza to immigration to health care to economic reform. You simply cannot reason with some of these people; they refuse to acknowledge basic cause and effect. They always focus on this idea of whether Kamala or Democrats "deserve" their vote or whether their conscience permits them to cast a vote "in favor of genocide" or that they are going to "send a message to Democrats" by withholding their vote. They routinely exhibit a complete misunderstanding of political incentives and the way political power is gained and exercised. I don't know whether it's naivete or immaturity or what. Just can't seem to break through and convince them that they aren't going to succeed in punishing anyone but themselves and the people they claim to care about.
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I was on my way to write essentially this, point for point, then read your post.

The factor I imagine is at work in this utterly baffling cut-off-thy-nose-to-spite-thy-face is maybe these communities have already been through so much awful, that further awfulness is a price worth paying for retribution. They assume awfulness will occur either way, but recency bias ingrains the possibility that a hypothetical ttump admin isn't as bad for Gaza than the well documented awfulness of the current moment. Thus, I have control over punishing Harris and the Democrats, and maybe, just maybe a ttump admin will end this (it won't, it'll get worse).
 
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dukeman92 said:
After she was introduced, Harris thanked everyone for being there and answered some questions from AC and explained the stark contrast between herself and the tangerine tyrant and included in that answer she mentioned ALL the republicans who’ve come out in support of her and endorsed her, campaigning with Liz Cheney etc… and the FIRST question was from a women who asked her how she would work with republicans to narrow the divide between us…. Like ma’am did you hear ANY of what she JUST said?
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To be fair, I guarantee those questions are vetted 13 times and you're not allowed to say a word off your submitted question.
 
Paine said:
I don’t want to rehash this argument again, just want to point out that the Gaza dynamic is a bit more complex than just leftists not voting for Harris.

She has major issues with Arab voters because of Gaza. I don’t think they’re all leftists. Most of these people voted for Joe Biden in 2020. Leftists aren’t voting Trump over Harris. It seems like a lot of Arab voters will vote Trump over Harris.

Again, not making an argument about the efficacy of doing this.
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Leftist or not, Arab voters typically vote for Dems, so if they sit this one out and Trump wins in part because of them I will have no sympathy when he targets their community and eviscerates their policy goals.
 
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