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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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Those feeling very confident today are essentially ignoring the polls and watching the less tangible factors from the ground.

I don’t put a ton of stock in the polls but am also wary of intangibles.

I guess I go back to I’d rather be her than him right now.
 
What are your predictions that Trump will do if he loses the election?

Obviously he will declare victory. That isn’t in question.

My prediction is that he will initially pursue all “legal” remedies through the courts and through state legislatures. We will get a repeat of 2020 but of course without the demand that VP not certify the elextion.

What I think will be different is the level of desperation Trump will show. He knows this is his last chance and he very well might be going to prison soon.

I think he will make direct and unambiguous calls for his supporters to rise up and overturn the election results. He will attempt to get the armed forces, national guard, abd local police to join in.

If this fails he may try to get states to declare independence (starting with Texas) and make him their president.

I would not underestimate what a sociopathic demented individual who is essentially a cornered animal would do.

These things may all fail spectacularly. If so, his current legal problems will be meaningless.
 
AmbassadorHeel said:
Anecdotal, of course, but I was astounded to learn that this past Wednesday my M-I-L was paid a visit at her house by two nice women asking 1) if she’s going to vote and 2) could they count on her vote for Harris-Walz and Josh Stein.

This was in Pamlico County - about 15 miles outside New Bern on a lonely country road. Pretty damn red, IOW.

Dems are serious about their ground game. And then you hear the stats about the thousands of door knocks in Pennsylvania yesterday…
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Does the GOP have any ground game in NC? Anyone have encounters?
 
GQNC said:
Thanks for sharing. It’s funny - canvassing has sent my wife and I to a few neighborhoods that we would not have ventured into otherwise. Three people yesterday told us, “you be careful now” - including one Trumper that came to his fence to talk to us but said “Oh!” When he saw our Harris/Walz shirts.

Thing is, though, you end up having good conversations regardless where you go. People do have a lot more in common than we have differences.
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I got a “stay safe out there” over a ring doorbell, which I assumed was a pathetic attempt to intimidate. Most people are really nice. Was calling on an enthusiastic Dem when her friendly Pub neighbor walked over and made a cheerful joke about telling Pubs to vote on Tuesday and Dems to vote on Wed. Nothing malicious, just some friendly banter between neighbors. Infinitely more of that out there than the vitriolic hatred that gets all the press.
 
Can you imagine the popular uprising if Kamala won the electoral college and the Republican house refused to certify, then declared Trump president on a state by state House vote? Does anyone here remember the demonstrations against the Viet Nam war? They would be dwarfed by the uprising against the House Republicans. These guys would be lucky if they didn't end up hanging upside down from a lamp post. I don't think they have the imagination to think how the public would respond to an obviously corrupt process.
 
nycfan said:
Other national YouGov polling suggests that men prefer Trump by five points and women prefer Harris by seven points. That includes people who aren’t in long-term relationships, unlike the question above, but it certainly suggests that a lot of men may be misunderstandi
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nycfan said:



1 in 8 women say they’ve secretly voted differently than partners​

One in 10 men say they have, too.

“… the response this week to one particular ad supporting Vice President Kamala Harris might have been unexpected. In it, Julia Roberts (yes, that Julia Roberts) reminds voters — women specifically — that votes are secret. If you disagree with your spouse on who should be president, just vote for the one you prefer. There’s a wink; your spouse never has to know.

This outraged some supporters of Donald Trumpin the right-wing media. Fox News host Jesse Watters declared that such an act by his wife would be “the same thing as having an affair.” Charlie Kirk, whose organization is working to turn out Trump voters, offered some additional context to the scenario offered in the ad.

The woman sporting a hat with an American flag, Kirk said, is “coming in with her sweet husband, who probably works his tail off to make sure that she can go and have a nice life and provides for the family, and she lies to him, saying, ‘I’m going to vote for Trump, then she votes for Kamala Harris as her little secret in the voting booth.’”

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Other national YouGov polling suggests that men prefer Trump by five points and women prefer Harris by seven points. That includes people who aren’t in long-term relationships, unlike the question above, but it certainly suggests that a lot of men may be misunderstanding how their spouses plan to vote. (The YouGov poll found that 5 percent of women have changed their votes to avoid conflict with a partner.) …”
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HY2012 says all these women are liars, nothing to see here
 
nycfan said:
Cont’d

“… The most pro-Trump employer in America would instantly fire any employee who talked about women, racial minorities, international partners, or people who lived in big cities the way that Trump does. An employee who told lies, shifted blame, exulted in violence, misappropriated other people’s property, blathered nonsense, or just wandered around vacantly as Trump does would be referred to mental-health professionals or reported to law enforcement.

Trump’s conduct is in fact so disturbing and offensive even to his supporters that they typically cope either by denying attested facts or by inventing fictional good deeds and falsely attributing them to him: secret acts of charity, empathy, or courtesy that never happened.

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Trump’s political superpower has not been his ability to activate a small fan base. If that’s all he were able to do, he’d be no more a threat to American institutions than any of the other fanatics and oddballs who lurk on the edges of mainstream politics. Trump’s superpower has been his ability to leverage his sway over a cult following to capture control of one of the two great parties in U.S. politics. If all we had to worry about were the people who idolize Trump, we would not have much to worry about. Unfortunately, we also must worry about the people who see him as he is but choose to work through him anyway, in pursuit of their own goals.

For that reason, Trump’s rise has imposed a special responsibility upon those of us with backgrounds in conservative and Republican politics. He arose because he was enabled not just by people we knew but by people we also knew to despise him.

… Ronald Reagan liked to describe the United States as a “shining city on a hill.” As Trump closed his 2024 campaign, he derided the country as “the garbage can for the world.” In his first inaugural address, Reagan challenged the country “to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds.” He concluded: “And after all, why shouldn’t we believe that? We are Americans.” Trump instead condemns the United States as a “stupid country that’s run by stupid people.”

In 1987, Reagan traveled to Berlin, then still divided by the Iron Curtain, to urge the Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev to “tear down this wall.” Three years later, Trump gave an interview to Playboy in which he condemned Gorbachev for not crushing dissent more harshly and praised the Chinese Communist Party for the murderous violence of Tiananmen Square:



… If you are inclined to vote for Trump out of some attachment to a Reaganite idea of conservative Republicanism, think again. Your party, the party that stood for freedom against the Berlin Wall, has three times nominated a man who praised the massacre at Tiananmen Square.

… Consider this example: In his 1991 State of the Union address, Bush discerned an “opportunity to fulfill the long-held promise of a new world order, where brutality will go unrewarded and aggression will meet collective resistance.” Campaigning this year, Vance appeared at the Turning Point USA convention alongside the far-right broadcaster and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who announced: “We’re bringing down the new world order!”

… In 1860, Americans voted on whether to remain one country or to split over slavery. In 1964, Americans voted on whether to defend equal rights before the law. So also will the election of 2024 turn on one ultimate question: whether to protect our constitutional democracy or submit to a presidency that wants to reorder the United States in such a way that it will become one of the world’s reactionary authoritarian regimes. …”
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In addition to making up good deeds to attribute to Trump, there are plenty others (we see them here) who reflexively attribute things to Trump that he had nothing to do with (“prices were lower under Trump”).
 
superrific said:
Well, good thing for you that I'm not one. I find it hard to believe that I'm being ridiculed for the suggestion that grabbing a phone, smashing it and walking off with it is unacceptable behavior. At best, it's vigilante justice.
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All while ignoring the context of the act, the behavior of the people surrounding him prior to the incident.
 
farce© said:
All while ignoring the context of the act, the behavior of the people surrounding him prior to the incident.
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This. At what point does removing the instrument of harassment, instead of breaking the face of the wielder become the imprudent action? There were probably better ways, for sure, and I don't really disagree with your take on the clip. I just think the long video is going to find plenty of mitigation.
 
nycfan said:
200.gifIMG_3461.jpegAnother head-scratcher/\/\

Maybe it was late and he fucked up trying to post this (which he did successfully post):


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This reeks of trying too hard.
ChileG said:
In addition to making up good deeds to attribute to Trump, there are plenty others (we see them here) who reflexively attribute things to Trump that he had nothing to do with (“prices were lower under Trump”).
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That’s the ignorance and/or false cause fallacy (because they want it to true) comes into play.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
What are your predictions that Trump will do if he loses the election?

Obviously he will declare victory. That isn’t in question.

My prediction is that he will initially pursue all “legal” remedies through the courts and through state legislatures. We will get a repeat of 2020 but of course without the demand that VP not certify the elextion.

What I think will be different is the level of desperation Trump will show. He knows this is his last chance and he very well might be going to prison soon.

I think he will make direct and unambiguous calls for his supporters to rise up and overturn the election results. He will attempt to get the armed forces, national guard, abd local police to join in.

If this fails he may try to get states to declare independence (starting with Texas) and make him their president.

I would not underestimate what a sociopathic demented individual who is essentially a cornered animal would do.

These things may all fail spectacularly. If so, his current legal problems will be meaningless.
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I think it'll depend on how much Kamala wins by.

Regardless, Trump is going to announce himself the victory by 11 pm Tuesday night. That is going to happen regardless.

Now, what happens after...we don't know. I do know that every single GQP pundit on X is constantly talking about Pennsylvania, so you can bet that they're going to say that there was cheating done there. They're laying the foundation there to make their point of "election cheating" there, to take it nationwide.

It will all start in Bucks County, Pennsylvania. You watch.
 
rodoheel said:
HY2012 says all these women are liars, nothing to see here
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It says 1 in 8 women did this and 1 in 10 men did this. The 1 in 10 men doing it is important context as a comparison.

Most people’s relationships aren’t so shitty that they’re afraid to tell their partner who they voted for. And if people don’t tell their partner for whatever reason, it’s about equally likely to be men vs women. 12.5% of women hide their vote and 10% of men.
 
ChapelHillSooner said:
What are your predictions that Trump will do if he loses the election?

Obviously he will declare victory. That isn’t in question.

My prediction is that he will initially pursue all “legal” remedies through the courts and through state legislatures. We will get a repeat of 2020 but of course without the demand that VP not certify the elextion.

What I think will be different is the level of desperation Trump will show. He knows this is his last chance and he very well might be going to prison soon.

I think he will make direct and unambiguous calls for his supporters to rise up and overturn the election results. He will attempt to get the armed forces, national guard, abd local police to join in.

If this fails he may try to get states to declare independence (starting with Texas) and make him their president.

I would not underestimate what a sociopathic demented individual who is essentially a cornered animal would do.

These things may all fail spectacularly. If so, his current legal problems will be meaningless.
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I agree that even if he loses he'll still declare victory and try whatever he and his supporters can think of to somehow steal the election, but I'll still gladly take my chances with him losing. A Trump victory followed by another four years as president will be a disaster for the country, and especially for anyone who has dared to oppose him.
 
When Trump loses, Kamala calls him and says “if you stand down and accept defeat, you’ll get pardoned for any convictions. If you try to overthrow and stoke riots, you’ll die in prison.”

Checkmate
 
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