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I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
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Offer Claire a loving home.

Period.

If her sibling(s) wish to join her, welcome them.

Do social media fundraising to support this effort.

Your buddy is a MAGA Trumplican. You don’t have enough years left to fix him; you might be able to save his children…..or, at least, Claire.
 
Zoo_View said:
Offer Claire a loving home.

Period.

If her sibling(s) wish to join her, welcome them.

Do social media fundraising to support this effort.

Your buddy is a MAGA Trumplican. You don’t have enough years left to fix him; you might be able to save his children…..or, at least, Claire.
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I disagree. Parents tend to come around and eventually accept their kids. Bringing her in to your home would drive wedges between them and you and your then former friend.

"Mind your own business and you'll find it's a full-time job.........
 
Simply write back “we’ll just have to agree to disagree on some things” and leave it at that. No need to engage further. Answer any other emails you receive from them accordingly. Move on. Life is short and there is no need to bust their chops, and no need for you to have them steal your joy in life with further engagement. Especially if that means getting into arguments about things you cannot help him with.
 
BubbaOtis said:
I disagree. Parents tend to come around and eventually accept their kids. Bringing her in to your home would drive wedges between them and you and your then former friend.

"Mind your own business and you'll find it's a full-time job.........
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I disagree. There are literally charities formed to help LBGTQ kids who parents have chosen their religion over their child. These charities help to house young people who's parents have not accepted them and left them homeless. I don't know the percentages but it is more common than most want to believe. I'll never understand a parent that disowns or gives up on their child.

Maybe helping her leave is premature, but reading that response, the dad doesn't seem affirming and doesn't seem to care enough to actually understand or change.

But it is a small sample size. I would let the daughter know that they support her and just be available in case she finds herself in great need.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
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Respond to him. We are too quick to just write these people off as crazy and move on from them, which only allows them to continue to be crazy. Call him out on all the BS in his email response to you. It's full of lies and misinformation that he's ingested through social media with no filter. Call him out on it. Will it change his mind? No, he's too far gone. But make him uncomfortable. Hell, make him angry at how uncomfortable you are making him. One of two things will happen: Either you lose him as a friend (and considering his mental state, it's no big loss), or he learns very quickly to stay out of political conversations with you because they won't be pleasant.

But by no means should you allow this jerkoff to lie to your face and not correct him on it.

One other thing: I'd end your response to him with a question about how he squares the hypocrisy of his actions with his faith as a Christian. Ask him how he could possibly vote for an adjudicated rapist, adulterer, and felon and claim to be a follower of Christ. Make him squirm.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
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All I'll say is that it's very telling that nearly all of his complaints are culture war stuff, and not economics related, except for the throwaway line about the budget deficit at the very end. It certainly fits with the view that what really motivates the vast majority of Trumpers isn't economic issues, it's culture war issues, especially transgenders and abortion and immigrants "taking over" the country and "wokeism" and women not staying home and raising kids and so forth. That's what really frightens and angers these folks, not the inflation rate or budget deficit or "small government" or whatever excuse they use to vote for Dear Leader.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
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"I wish Claire well in their life as we all deserve the support of a caring family that loves without question and accepts without judgement."
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I got this from one of my best friends from college. We were groomsmen at one another's weddings. He's Catholic and has always been a Republican, but not a crazy one. We've traded birthday and holiday greetings for decades. Below is his edited response to my New Year's greeting. I wrote the following near the end of my email to him:

"I am apprehensive about the new year. I figure I've got a limited number of years left on this planet. To spend the next few watching this country descend further into more madness and depravity is well, disspiriting. We shall see, I fear. My apologies - politics and religion - my mother warned me against such things but sometimes I can't help myself."


Now the response:

"... Unfortunately, Claire <his youngest child> now claims to be "agender" and insists on they/them pronouns - and refuses to wear dresses of any kind. Sucked in by the political correctness of the culture. I do not agree with it, but do my best to maintain peace in the family as she still lives with us ...

We have really avoided the topic of politics in the past. We most likely have different political views. So here goes. My feeling is that we have dodged a bullet. (Warning - rant coming!) The Democrats have gone completely off the rails. Biological men in women's sports. Prosecution of grandmothers protesting abortions while George Floyd rioters are ignored. Our borders completely uncontrolled resulting in gangs taking over apartment complexes in Colorado, among other things. They nominated the most incompetent candidate who blew through a billion dollars in 90 days and still ended up in debt (cackle cackle). I'll stop here.

All this being said, there has been so much damage done that I agree with you - I am apprehensive as well. While I believe that the mainstream media has built a caricature image of Donald Trump, he is not a savior. The Deep State is extremely entrenched in this country, and one man cannot root it out. This country is now far from God and Jesus Christ, who is our real Savior. I think Satan's influence is unprecedented--and that we are in a worse situation than before the Flood. The massive debt that this country has run up (and built in both Democratic and Republican administrations - and Trump does not seem to be too bothered by it) I think will have disastrous consequences. (Just think of all the hashing and rehashing topics I have just raised.)

Well, on that cheery note, I wish you ... and the family the best! I hope I have not alienated you, old friend. I think we could have some good discussions and learn from each other ...."


Thoughts? Advice? Any need to respond at all? There are so many mixed emotions swirling in my heart. The whole thing makes me sad.
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Like Obama said:

"The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People you are fighting may love their kids and share certain things with you."

You probably feel anxiety about the direction your friend has gone or is going. Do you want to allow your response to that anxiety to potentially put your friendship at risk?
 
I went to my High School reunion in October, and several folks had gone down this road. And this was the School of Science and Math.

Seems that the LGBTQ+ issue disturbs a lot of parents. Hits close to home.
 
theel4life said:
It continues to amaze me how so many people have bought into the crazy MAGA bullshit. I have lost 3/4ths of my family over it. Oh well.
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I've cut the MAGA cancer out of my life. When my friends and family voted for Dubya, McCain and Romney I got it. I understood. Their politics differed from mine. We agreed to disagree, and we carried on with life. Trump is different. He's a con man. He's not a good man in any regard. His movement is built on hate and lies. It's a cult. Full stop.
Season 5 Ron GIF by Parks and Recreation
 
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uncmba said:
I went to my High School reunion in October, and several folks had gone down this road. And this was the School of Science and Math.

Seems that the LGBTQ+ issue disturbs a lot of parents. Hits close to home.
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The church constantly telling people that LBGTQ are abominations, unnatural, sinners, bound for hell has probably influenced a lot of parents.
 
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