After Trump

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dukeman92 said:
Right now that Newsom/Buttigieg ticket is giving me the feels.
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I like that ticket and think they would be good for America when combined with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. But if black males did not turn out for a female candidate, then they will not turn out for a ticket that has a gay white man as the running mate. Democrats cannot win a national election without a ticket that the black male segment of the electorate is enthusiastic about.
 
05C40 said:
I like that ticket and think they would be good for America when combined with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. But if black males did not turn out for a female candidate, then they will not turn out for a ticket that has a gay white man as the running mate. Democrats cannot win a national election without a ticket that the black male segment of the electorate is enthusiastic about.
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Sadly, this is 100-percent accurate.
 
People don't care nearly as much about VP candidates as they do presidential candidates.

I think Newsom can win.
 
dukeman92 said:
Right now that Newsom/Buttigieg ticket is giving me the feels.
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Personality, I like them both even more than Beshear-BUT they must be electable which is highest priority. Of the 3 I think only Beshear is electable, so he’s my pick.
 
dukeman92 said:
Whoever Trump endorses. That doesn't mean that person will be electable...
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Unfortunately, it probably does!
Someone back there said that Trump is likely to give up politics after this term. Given that politics has been maybe his only really successful endeavor, I can't agree. With politics he found an "industry" providing fruitful field for the con.
 
Kingpin said:
Kemp has been angling to run as NOT Trump but trying not to alienate the MAGA. It will be hard needle to thread.
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He manages it in Georgia, garnering the support of hard core MAGA in north, middle and south Georgia as well as the Atlanta suburban Rs. Youngkin does the same thing in VA. It is a tough needle to thread.
 
Give me some combo of Andy Beshear and Josh Shapiro/Pete Buttigieg/Gretchen Whitmer on the Democratic side.

As for the Republicans, it’s definitely not a useless exercise to debate and speculate who the next Republican presidential candidates may be in 2028, but I think it’s ultimately not going to matter who they run, because 2028 is going to be after all of the awful Medicaid cuts really start to take full effect, after the economic impact of tariffs have been in full swing for a couple years, after it becomes even more obvious that the MAGA movement enabled and embedded child molesters, etc. Plus, the cult turns out for one man and one man only, and he’ll either be dead or Constitutionally ineligible. There’s a whole lot of low-propensity voters who will go right back to low-propensity’ing and the GOP will get annihilated because without the cult master and without the low-propensity voters, they don’t have the numbers. It’ll be almost a decade too late, but the GOP’s bill is going to come due for abandoning conservatism and allowing itself to be completely sold out for Trumpism. It’s not gonna to be pretty for them when the piper comes to get paid.
 
Should Trump step down in 2028, MAGA nation goes with him and no GQPer candidate has a chance to gain the MAGA cultists.

My guess is Rubio would be the most likely nominee with Nikki Haley as his running mate ?
 
05C40 said:
I like that ticket and think they would be good for America when combined with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. But if black males did not turn out for a female candidate, then they will not turn out for a ticket that has a gay white man as the running mate. Democrats cannot win a national election without a ticket that the black male segment of the electorate is enthusiastic about.
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I don't get why black males would not support a black woman like Kamala, but then I see who a large portion of black athletes marry and it is curious.
 
heelinhell said:
Should Trump step down in 2028, MAGA nation goes with him and no GQPer candidate has a chance to gain the MAGA cultists.

My guess is Rubio would be the most likely nominee with Nikki Haley as his running mate ?
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Wait til the MAGA base gets a post-Trump load of having a Latino dude and an Indian woman as a presidential ticket.
 
heelinhell said:
Should Trump step down in 2028, MAGA nation goes with him and no GQPer candidate has a chance to gain the MAGA cultists.

My guess is Rubio would be the most likely nominee with Nikki Haley as his running mate ?
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Little Rubio? Not a chance. His own party even hates him. He's only there for one reason: because Trump pwned him and he took it up the a--.
 
CFordUNC said:
Give me some combo of Andy Beshear and Josh Shapiro/Pete Buttigieg/Gretchen Whitmer on the Democratic side.

As for the Republicans, it’s definitely not a useless exercise to debate and speculate who the next Republican presidential candidates may be in 2028, but I think it’s ultimately not going to matter who they run, because 2028 is going to be after all of the awful Medicaid cuts really start to take full effect, after the economic impact of tariffs have been in full swing for a couple years, after it becomes even more obvious that the MAGA movement enabled and embedded child molesters, etc. Plus, the cult turns out for one man and one man only, and he’ll either be dead or Constitutionally ineligible. There’s a whole lot of low-propensity voters who will go right back to low-propensity’ing and the GOP will get annihilated because without the cult master and without the low-propensity voters, they don’t have the numbers. It’ll be almost a decade too late, but the GOP’s bill is going to come due for abandoning conservatism and allowing itself to be completely sold out for Trumpism. It’s not gonna to be pretty for them when the piper comes to get paid.
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Beshear/Whitmer would be a formidable team. unfortunately I cant see a Jew, gay man or Cali politician being elected, even though I love Shapiro, Buttigieg and Newsome. We need to keep our eyes on the prize, not hopes and dreams.
 
05C40 said:
I like that ticket and think they would be good for America when combined with a Democratic majority in both houses of Congress. But if black males did not turn out for a female candidate, then they will not turn out for a ticket that has a gay white man as the running mate. Democrats cannot win a national election without a ticket that the black male segment of the electorate is enthusiastic about.
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That ticket would trounce any pub ticket. Those are two very gifted orators, especially Pete. They are the only two on the Dem side who are actively combating MAGA bullshit. They're not perfect candidates but they're the cream of the crop right now. Of course, that could always change.
 
rodoheel said:
I think it's very difficult to answer this question with anything other than pure speculation because it really depends on what role Trump is going to play after the end of this term. Here, as I see it, are the major options:

1. Trump dies during or soon after his term. All-out free-for-all on the right to fight over who will inherit his legacy and leadership of the party. At the very least, the techno-right (probably led by Vance, with Thiel and maybe Musk again doing the backing), the Trump family (probably led by Don Jr. and Lara), the populist/dirtbag right (mostly media figures like Carlson, Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Bongino, etc, along with people like MTG and Stephen Miller), and the more traditional/big-business Republicans who bent the knee to Trump to stay involved (people like Thune, Rubio, Graham, Bessent, Tom Cotton, etc) will be involved in jockeying for power and position. No clue how that would turn out.

2. Trump leaves office and basically checks out of politics with not a care in the world for what happens to the party and movement. Probably similar to option #1 above in the effect. But personally I think this is the most unlikely option.

3. Trump leaves office and makes clear that he still intends to be the leader and face of the MAGA movement and the Republican Party, and offers constant commentary on who is good, who is bad, and who should be the next president and other leaders. All the people from #1 above are engaged in a furious contest to try to maintain Trump's favor and attention; whoever prevails are the de facto party leaders and basically a Trump puppet, until he tires of them and pushes others forward.

4. Trump leaves office and essentially designates a successor to carry on his legacy. Highly likely that person then becomes the new standard-bearer in the short term, unless and until Trump dies.

5. Trump leaves office and continues what is basically a full-time barnstorming tour of attention where he wants the spotlight still on him, while being somewhat apathetic to the fate pf the Republican Party and national politics, and even openly criticizes the Republicans for being not as good as him. Big wild-card scenario, as the party has to decide whether to split from him entirely or try to maintain the favor and attention of his base.

6. Trump doesn't really want to leave office and tries to invent some way he can stay in office. He drags the whole right into an open constitutional crisis along with him. A wide range of outcomes, probably mostly bad for everyone in the country.
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#6...when it doesn't work, he'll attempt to shift the RNC rules and hand pick a MAGA candidate. Let the sucking up and kissing of the ring continue!
 
Kingpin said:
Beshear/Whitmer would be a formidable team. unfortunately I cant see a Jew, gay man or Cali politician being elected, even though I love Shapiro, Buttigieg and Newsome. We need to keep our eyes on the prize, not hopes and dreams.
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That's where I would go...and that ticket would have won in 2024.
 
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