and away we go. CDC vaccine committee canceled

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Murder is a crime with a legal definition. Abortion isn’t murder, even in states where abortion is illegal.
I didn't say abortion was murder. I said, or implied, that having a policy of not interfering in any one person's definition of abortion would be making murder legal.
 
And once again a Trumper troll has totally derailed a thread. Millions of people get a flu vaccine every year, and many desperately need it, such as older people and diabetics. But instead of discussing or defending that - which they can't - they just derail the thread and turn it into an argument about something completely different. Typical.
 
RFK Jr is going to go down as the worst cabinet pick ever....and that's saying a lot

So they are firing people with no plan to make government more "efficient".

I guess the plan here is to let people die with no plan to make the country more "efficient"?

I think the family of the child that died this week in Texas from the measles should sue trump and brain worm.

 
I didn't say abortion was murder. I said, or implied, that having a policy of not interfering in any one person's definition of abortion would be making murder legal.
But you made a stupid comparison to a living child, and abortion is by definition to an unborn child.
 
Without going back through pages to untangle it, what the heck is this thread about now? The thread title may need an update.
This is just a detailed detour regarding what I view as overreaction, by many here, to most everything Trump. The claim was made that objectively bad things were happening - i.e. Roe v Wade.

I just pointed out the overturning R v W is not "objectively" bad.
 
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Without going back through pages to untangle it, what the heck is this thread about now? The thread title may need an update.
Even the MAGAs know the vaccine thing is a major f-up so the attention to it has been diverted.
I myself played a role in that in I responded to the diversions but I agree we should focus on the topic.

Bush II had a pandemic scare during his presidency and to his credit took action, and Obama picked up where Bish left off.
It’s amazing to me that a pandemic essentially killed Trump’s re-election in 2000 but instead of learning from it, he goes in the opposite direction and makes us even more vulnerable not to just pandemics, but to diseases that haven’t been a concern in my entire lifetime.
 
And ,of course, you were wrong. I'd give you subjectively.
You clearly don't understand what it means to say something is objectively good or objectively bad. Something being the case objectively means it doesn't depend on the thoughts, feelings, or other mental states of people.

It is objectively true that 2 + 2 = 4 Because it does not depend on thoughts, feelings, etc
 
And it's not objectively true that other people are affected by someone else's medical decisions, whether it's an abortion, gender reassignment or a facelift.
 
And it's not objectively true that other people are affected by someone else's medical decisions, whether it's an abortion, gender reassignment or a facelift.
As I've said multiple times, the claim was made that overturning RvW was objectively bad.

That is not accurate.
 
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