and away we go. CDC vaccine committee canceled

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BlooVooDoo said:
Murder is a crime with a legal definition. Abortion isn’t murder, even in states where abortion is illegal.
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I didn't say abortion was murder. I said, or implied, that having a policy of not interfering in any one person's definition of abortion would be making murder legal.
 
And once again a Trumper troll has totally derailed a thread. Millions of people get a flu vaccine every year, and many desperately need it, such as older people and diabetics. But instead of discussing or defending that - which they can't - they just derail the thread and turn it into an argument about something completely different. Typical.
 
uncgriff said:
RFK Jr is going to go down as the worst cabinet pick ever....and that's saying a lot

www.nbcnews.com

A CDC vaccine committee meeting, the first of Kennedy's tenure at HHS, gets postponed

An HHS spokesperson didn’t say when the meeting would be rescheduled.
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So they are firing people with no plan to make government more "efficient".

I guess the plan here is to let people die with no plan to make the country more "efficient"?

I think the family of the child that died this week in Texas from the measles should sue trump and brain worm.

www.nbcnews.com

First measles death reported in Texas as Kennedy downplays the outbreak

At least 124 people have been infected in the fast-spreading outbreak. Health and Human Services secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said, “we have measles outbreaks every year.”
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ZenMode said:
I didn't say abortion was murder. I said, or implied, that having a policy of not interfering in any one person's definition of abortion would be making murder legal.
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But you made a stupid comparison to a living child, and abortion is by definition to an unborn child.
 
nycfan said:
Without going back through pages to untangle it, what the heck is this thread about now? The thread title may need an update.
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This is just a detailed detour regarding what I view as overreaction, by many here, to most everything Trump. The claim was made that objectively bad things were happening - i.e. Roe v Wade.

I just pointed out the overturning R v W is not "objectively" bad.
 
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nycfan said:
Without going back through pages to untangle it, what the heck is this thread about now? The thread title may need an update.
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Even the MAGAs know the vaccine thing is a major f-up so the attention to it has been diverted.
I myself played a role in that in I responded to the diversions but I agree we should focus on the topic.

Bush II had a pandemic scare during his presidency and to his credit took action, and Obama picked up where Bish left off.
It’s amazing to me that a pandemic essentially killed Trump’s re-election in 2000 but instead of learning from it, he goes in the opposite direction and makes us even more vulnerable not to just pandemics, but to diseases that haven’t been a concern in my entire lifetime.
 
finesse said:
And ,of course, you were wrong. I'd give you subjectively.
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You clearly don't understand what it means to say something is objectively good or objectively bad. Something being the case objectively means it doesn't depend on the thoughts, feelings, or other mental states of people.

It is objectively true that 2 + 2 = 4 Because it does not depend on thoughts, feelings, etc
 
And it's not objectively true that other people are affected by someone else's medical decisions, whether it's an abortion, gender reassignment or a facelift.
 
finesse said:
And it's not objectively true that other people are affected by someone else's medical decisions, whether it's an abortion, gender reassignment or a facelift.
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As I've said multiple times, the claim was made that overturning RvW was objectively bad.

That is not accurate.
 
ZenMode said:
As I've said multiple times, the claim was made that overturning RvW was objectively bad.

That is not accurate.
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Hey dumbo. If everyone in the world loses bodily autonomy the world would be an objectively-measurable worse place. Objectively. Stance independent. Worse place. Roe v Wade protected bodily autonomy for women.

If you still want to play semantics games I’ll point out a majority of philosophers (and myself) believe in moral realism and bodily autonomy is a moral truth.

If your morality has anything to do with maximizing human flourishing and minimizing human suffering then we can make objective assessments on human behavior with respect to that goal. Objective assessments. Removing bodily autonomy increases human suffering.

It doesn’t matter if a woman has a fully grown Dalai Lama in her womb. Forcing her to have her body used and life threatened by anything/anyone else against her will is a suspension of bodily autonomy.

As I stated, I have no interest in chasing you around the school yard with your trolling. Take your nonsense elsewhere. No one here is buying.
 
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