and away we go. CDC vaccine committee canceled

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ZenMode said:
As I've said multiple times, the claim was made that overturning RvW was objectively bad.

That is not accurate.
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Hey dumbo. If everyone in the world loses bodily autonomy the world would be an objectively-measurable worse place. Objectively. Stance independent. Worse place. Roe v Wade protected bodily autonomy for women.

If you still want to play semantics games I’ll point out a majority of philosophers (and myself) believe in moral realism and bodily autonomy is a moral truth.

If your morality has anything to do with maximizing human flourishing and minimizing human suffering then we can make objective assessments on human behavior with respect to that goal. Objective assessments. Removing bodily autonomy increases human suffering.

It doesn’t matter if a woman has a fully grown Dalai Lama in her womb. Forcing her to have her body used and life threatened by anything/anyone else against her will is a suspension of bodily autonomy.

As I stated, I have no interest in chasing you around the school yard with your trolling. Take your nonsense elsewhere. No one here is buying.
 
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finesse said:
That's the epitome of a subjective opinion so is meaningless without some proof, something you never provide.
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No, it's not as evidenced by the fact that many people, including me, believe that overturning Roe was good. If it was objectively bad, there would be no basis for the opinion that it is good.

Here are some reasons it's good:
  • It moves power back to the states
  • It stops the killing of living humans
 
ZenMode said:
No, it's not as evidenced by the fact that many people, including me, believe that overturning Roe was good. If it was objectively bad, there would be no basis for the opinion that it is good.

Here are some reasons it's good:
  • It moves power back to the states
  • It stops the killing of living humans
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Doubling up to catch up on being wrong? I don't know why . You're seriously ahead on that.

The first is irrelevant and the second a lie.
 
finesse said:
Doubling up to catch up on being wrong? I don't know why . You're seriously ahead on that.

The first is irrelevant and the second a lie.
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Your subjective view of my bullets is irrelevant because, again, the word objective has a meaning that doesn't change based on political views, opinion, etc.
 
If you are really worried about the continued function of this board, I'd worry less about the number of new threads or how mean people are to MAGAs and more about pedantic and recreational contrarianism. We've got pages of pedantic contrarianism that boils down to the meaning of a single word and has nothing to do with the thread topic. This is the kind of bullshit that kills people's desire to engage and there are two posters who love wrestling in this kind of slop.
 
A final plea - can we please keep discussion on this thread limited to the CDC vaccine committee cancellations? I'll admit I had a momentary lapse a few pages back and took the bait, so I'm as guilty as anyone.
 
Now that two meetings have been canceled - and they're cancelling the Moderna bird flu project - is the most reasonable conclusion is that the Administration intends to run out the clock on next fall's vaccine regimen? Or is there a more benign conclusion to be had?
 
Huh? said:
Now that two meetings have been canceled - and they're cancelling the Moderna bird flu project - is the most reasonable conclusion is that the Administration intends to run out the clock on next fall's vaccine regimen? Or is there a more benign conclusion to be had?
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No telling what the plan is but it certainly isn’t good. What remains to be seen will it be merely bad or catastrophic or somewhere in between.
 
Huh? said:
Now that two meetings have been canceled - and they're cancelling the Moderna bird flu project - is the most reasonable conclusion is that the Administration intends to run out the clock on next fall's vaccine regimen? Or is there a more benign conclusion to be had?
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They have not cancelled the Moderna bird flu project. They are reviewing it.

The Trump administration confirmed it is reevaluating a $590 million human bird flu vaccine contract awarded to Moderna in the waning days of the Biden administration.

“While it is crucial that the U.S. Department and Health and Human Services support pandemic preparedness, four years of the Biden administration’s failed oversight have made it necessary to review agreements for vaccine production,” a Health and Human Services (HHS) spokesperson said in an email.

 
Huh? said:
Now that two meetings have been canceled - and they're cancelling the Moderna bird flu project - is the most reasonable conclusion is that the Administration intends to run out the clock on next fall's vaccine regimen? Or is there a more benign conclusion to be had?
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They are trying to run out the clock.
 
farce© said:
They are trying to run out the clock.
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They’re certainly making life more difficult but they can’t really stop us because the products are approved, we just notify FDA of the strain change and move forward with the manufacturing.

FDA reached out to let us know they’ll communicate their recommendations at some point in mid-March. It sucks to not have an agreed-upon date but the rank and file (who haven’t been fired yet) still want to help get the vaccine out. It’ll probably be the same the WHO recommendation from earlier today.
 
nrsair said:
They’re certainly making life more difficult but they can’t really stop us because the products are approved, we just notify FDA of the strain change and move forward with the manufacturing.

FDA reached out to let us know they’ll communicate their recommendations at some point in mid-March. It sucks to not have an agreed-upon date but the rank and file (who haven’t been fired yet) still want to help get the vaccine out. It’ll probably be the same the WHO recommendation from earlier today.
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That sounds hopeful but infuriating we such boobs in charge
 

F.D.A. Cancels Meeting of Vaccine Experts Scheduled to Advise on Flu Shots​

The cancellation plays into fears among scientists who worry that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will use his position as health secretary to sow doubts about vaccines.

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F.D.A. Cancels Meeting of Vaccine Experts Scheduled to Advise on Flu Shots

The cancellation plays into fears among scientists who worry that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. will use his position as health secretary to sow doubts about vaccines.
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“…The meeting of the C.D.C.’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices would have covered topics related to a number of vaccines, including one that protects against the human papillomavirus. Mr. Kennedy has been sharply critical of that vaccine and worked on a lawsuit against its maker, Merck. He has said he would pass any fees earned from the lawsuit to an adult son.”
 
nycfan said:
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Appalling in its ignorance and stupidity.

Our Founding Fathers thought check and balances would be enough. They aren't when POTUS goes unitarian. Corruption, not merit, dominated from Jackson to about Grover Cleveland. With the exception of Lincoln we had a series of crappy administrations.
 
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ZenMode said:
This is just a detailed detour regarding what I view as overreaction, by many here, to most everything Trump. The claim was made that objectively bad things were happening - i.e. Roe v Wade.

I just pointed out the overturning R v W is not "objectively" bad.
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Yes it was. Now these idiots are going after Obergefell.
 
ZenMode said:
You clearly don't understand what it means to say something is objectively good or objectively bad. Something being the case objectively means it doesn't depend on the thoughts, feelings, or other mental states of people.

It is objectively true that 2 + 2 = 4 Because it does not depend on thoughts, feelings, etc
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We know the definition, you're still wrong.
 
Enigma94 said:
If you are really worried about the continued function of this board, I'd worry less about the number of new threads or how mean people are to MAGAs and more about pedantic and recreational contrarianism. We've got pages of pedantic contrarianism that boils down to the meaning of a single word and has nothing to do with the thread topic. This is the kind of bullshit that kills people's desire to engage and there are two posters who love wrestling in this kind of slop.
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That's Zen and GT's MO all day.
 
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