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I've been reading and it looks interesting. My wife has talked about it, but I'm not sure she's ready for feet of snow.
I'd encourage a long weekend trip instead of just a regular weekender. I've found that discount airlines like Allegiant and Sun Country (who I've grown to like) fly to Minneapolis on Sundays and Thursdays (or another combination of days), which would give you a great, longer weekend type of visit, which in turn will give you more of a chance to explore!
 
99% of the board is about politics, can you two find another thread for this?

I want to talk about places in the US or other countries that would be fun to live in. We need a thread or two without the doom and gloom.
As far as “other countries that would be fun to live in”… I can recommend any of the Western European countries. From Ireland, Scotland, England to the mainland countries that used to comprise the old Western Europe. The Scandinavian countries, Iberian Pennensula… Italy, Holland, France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria… Liechtenstein and Luxembourg…. are all golden and an absolute joy to visit or a place to live.
Looks like Ellen and Portia done R-U-N-N-O-F-T to the UK...

Living in UK, Ireland, GB, whatever would be lovely. If you can afford it. Good on ‘em.
 
99% of the board is about politics, can you two find another thread for this?

I want to talk about places in the US or other countries that would be fun to live in. We need a thread or two without the doom and gloom.
Thanks @HeelYeah2012 for the upvote.

You're still welcome on the thread to tell me where to go. :cool:
 
Thanks @HeelYeah2012 for the upvote.

You're still welcome on the thread to tell me where to go. :cool:
All good, I truly didn’t mean to derail your thread. Sometimes easy to forget which thread you’re on when you’re scrolling.

Best place to live in the USA is the great state of North Carolina in my opinion so I don’t think I have much to add to the actual topic!!
 
As far as “other countries that would be fun to live in”… I can recommend any of the Western European countries. From Ireland, Scotland, England to the mainland countries that used to comprise the old Western Europe. The Scandinavian countries, Iberian Pennensula… Italy, Holland, France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, Austria… Liechtenstein and Luxembourg…. are all golden and an absolute joy to visit or a place to live.

Living in UK, Ireland, GB, whatever would be lovely. If you can afford it. Good on ‘em.
If I ever had a desire to "escape", I'd probably pick Poland....you know.....all current war related situations aside.

Dollar to Zloty conversion rate is great, you're a short drive from Germany and very close to UK, Norway, Finland, etc.

I spent a week there opening a new company location and really enjoyed it. I could Uber several miles to work for under $3. A nice meal was around 10 including alcohol.
 
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If I ever had a desire to "escape", I'd probably pick Poland....you know.....all current war related situations aside.

Dollar to Zloty conversion rate is great, you're a short drive from Germany and very close to UK, Norway, Finland, etc.

I spent a week there opening a new company location and really enjoyed it. I could Uber several miles to work for under $3. A nice meal was around 10 including alcohol.
In my mid 20’s/early 30’s I lived in Europe for 7 years, I wasn’t in the military or anything a busker actually - but that was before the Wall came down. I couldn’t visit the Eastern bloc countries. I’d like to. I’ve been back to Europe several times since then, but still haven’t visited Poland, Czechia, Hungary, etc… those Eastern Countries. I’m sure they’re all just as lovely and Romantic as are the Western Euro countries.

My roots are Scots/German and I’m not that far removed, in terms of my forefathers. The years I spent living over there felt like I was “at home”. I could easily move back there and not skip a beat. Moving back to USA in 1992 was serious culture shock.
 
See you in 2 years!
Have you picked a landing spot yet?
Now, as far a moving ex-pat style to another country, that's certainly something to research. But that's not so easily done unless you have the kind of money that would have had you voting for Trump anyway... for the tax breaks of course. If you're young(er) and have the kind of job where you can work remotely - from anywhere in the world - you can look around. Perhaps you can sign on with an international company...

Finally, there are 7 countries I know of whereby you can sign up for dual citizenship if one of your parent's or Grandparents were born there. Germany, Italy, Ireland just to name a couple... do the research
"Now, as far a moving ex-pat style to another country, that's certainly something to research. But that's not so easily done unless you have the kind of money that would have had you voting for Trump anyway."
Sorry, but I have to refute that. We moved here to Portugal with 480k net worth. And not receiving SS for the first 3 years. Our net worth is now 660k and we have lived here for 6 years. And I have yet to receive SS. If you don´t mind the weather, many Eastern Europe countries are even cheaper than Portugal. You don´t have to be rich at all (matter of fact, you only need to be able to provide proof of income of roughly 1000 euros a month to be accepted on the D7 Visa). The first 3 years we lived on a budget of $3000 a month, still traveled to the states at least 2 times a year, travelled throughout western Europe, and lived comfortably. You don´t have to be rich at all.
 
Have you picked a landing spot yet?

"Now, as far a moving ex-pat style to another country, that's certainly something to research. But that's not so easily done unless you have the kind of money that would have had you voting for Trump anyway."
Sorry, but I have to refute that. We moved here to Portugal with 480k net worth. And not receiving SS for the first 3 years. Our net worth is now 660k and we have lived here for 6 years. And I have yet to receive SS. If you don´t mind the weather, many Eastern Europe countries are even cheaper than Portugal. You don´t have to be rich at all (matter of fact, you only need to be able to provide proof of income of roughly 1000 euros a month to be accepted on the D7 Visa). The first 3 years we lived on a budget of $3000 a month, still traveled to the states at least 2 times a year, travelled throughout western Europe, and lived comfortably. You don´t have to be rich at all.
I’ll grant that, and the proof after all, is in your pudding. However, Did it take all of the 480k net worth to move there initially, or can one move there Willy nilly with nothing but a steady paycheck and a fledgling 401k?

Of course, I know the answer to that. When I first went to Europe in 1985 all I had was a backpack, a guitar, and $500 in travelers checks. I had a $99 ticket to London on People’s Express airline. I wound up living in Europe for the better part of 7 years. Mainly in Switzerland. But I bounced around quite a bit. After all, I was an itinerant musician - a busker.
 
Looks like Ellen and Portia done R-U-N-N-O-F-T to the UK...

Glad they were able to escape the oppressive state of California.
 
I’ll grant that, and the proof after all, is in your pudding. However, Did it take all of the 480k net worth to move there initially, or can one move there Willy nilly with nothing but a steady paycheck and a fledgling 401k?

Of course, I know the answer to that. When I first went to Europe in 1985 all I had was a backpack, a guitar, and $500 in travelers checks. I had a $99 ticket to London on People’s Express airline. I wound up living in Europe for the better part of 7 years. Mainly in Switzerland. But I bounced around quite a bit. After all, I was an itinerant musician - a busker.
We had $10k cash and basically 6 large suitcases. We set up/furnished a 3 bedroom apt, deposits, paperwork and fees, and traveled back and forth to the states a few times. After that it was $3k a month strict budget. No paycheck as we both retired early. My wife started getting SS 3 years later and we increased the budget to $4.5k/month, and increased it to 5k this year, but we are giving our daughter $1000 each month.
 
I’ll grant that, and the proof after all, is in your pudding. However, Did it take all of the 480k net worth to move there initially, or can one move there Willy nilly with nothing but a steady paycheck and a fledgling 401k?

Of course, I know the answer to that. When I first went to Europe in 1985 all I had was a backpack, a guitar, and $500 in travelers checks. I had a $99 ticket to London on People’s Express airline. I wound up living in Europe for the better part of 7 years. Mainly in Switzerland. But I bounced around quite a bit. After all, I was an itinerant musician - a busker.
It’s not expensive to relocate in certain countries.

Plane tickets and moving stuff over are the main expenses and it’s not that much.

You can rent cheap outside of the city centers.

Once your there you’re living on the cheap.
 
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We had $10k cash and basically 6 large suitcases. We set up/furnished a 3 bedroom apt, deposits, paperwork and fees, and traveled back and forth to the states a few times. After that it was $3k a month strict budget. No paycheck as we both retired early. My wife started getting SS 3 years later and we increased the budget to $4.5k/month, and increased it to 5k this year, but we are giving our daughter $1000 each month.
Mind me asking what your housing costs? Sticking to a budget of $3k/month is impressive. That seems almost impossible in the States now unless you have roommates or live in the sticks.
 
Mind me asking what your housing costs? Sticking to a budget of $3k/month is impressive. That seems almost impossible in the States now unless you have roommates or live in the sticks.
Not at all. Happy to answer questions.
As to any housing costs/real estate, as always, location is key. In most of Europe, next are size and amenities. Portugal is roughly the size of Indiana and population very similar to NC, but its average wage is roughly $1200 a month, so a budget of $3000 is more than the typical family here earns in the same period. The southern most part of Portugal is known as the Algarve or Gold Coast and home to some of the prettiest beaches in the world. This is where most retirees go (mainly British, but also Americans and other expats). It is also somewhat rural and only small towns, which helps a bit in the cost. However, I could not afford to live there, as it and Lisbon (largest city and capital) are beyond my budget. Also, a little too hot for our tastes. Next largest city is Porto, with a population of about 1.3 million and a wonderful city, but too hilly and we would be right at the top of our budget in living expenses. So we chose a city named Braga, which is a city in the upper north about an hour from the Spanish border, with a population of about 300k, and only 40 minutes to the international airport in Porto.

in 2018, when we moved there, we rented a fairly modern (for Portugal) 3 bedroom apartment with a garage and heat (not always included in a home) but unfurnished except for the kitchen, about 3/4´s of mile from the city center. Our cost, €475 a month, or roughly $550 at the time. In 2019, our landlord decided that they wanted to move back into the apartment after living in France for 10 years, so we moved to another building about 150 feet away. Pretty much the same size and amenities, but also had a central vac and better outside balconies. And it was mostly furnished with furniture. €480 or still about $550 at the time (the exchange rate was worse then).
In 2022, we decided that we wanted to be in Centro (the historic center) where all the action is, and we were tired of walking up a fairly significant hill to reach the city (no car). We found a modern 2 bedroom with a furnished but small kitchen and heat, but no garage, in the dead center of downtown for €750 to start and €803 to finish (this was the height of inflation and the government has a rent-control clause where the landlord can raise the rent by a government set figure each year - that year was the highest percentage in 20+ years).
This past July, we decided that we needed more room and also wanted air conditioning (even more rare here than heat) as the current apartment faced east/west and the summers are getting hotter. We now are in a 4 bedroom apartment with heat and air, the most American sized and style kitchen that we have had (European kitchens are SMALL), no garage, and are still in Centro and pay €1250 or $1300 at today´s exchange rate. Which is about a 1/3 of our current total budget.

For anyone interested in learning more about costs and what a budget can buy you anywhere in the world, I am going to suggest that you investigate two websites:
1. Numbeo.com compares actual costs between any two cities in the world. The numbers come direct personal entries and for the most part are fairly accurate in my experience. Here is the comparison of Greensboro, NC, where I moved from, to Braga, Portugal, where I live now:

2. Theearthawaits.com is a site that allows you to enter a budget of any amount, along with many other variables such as crime, air quality, walkability, health care, freedom, weather, and others into a matrix, and the site will them give you suggestions of possible places to live within your stated budget and other parameters. Here is the reading for Braga, Portugal:
The budget given of $3200 a month is for what they call an ample lifestyle, which is what I put as us as we like to travel. The lifestyle is another variable that you can chose. BTW, the 4th picture shown, the building with all the purple-bluish tile, is about 250 feet from my apartment and a stunning viewpoint from our balcony and all of the pictures are within a quarter-mile of our home.

I hope that answers your question, and if not, that I gave you sources to use to get your answer.
 
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Y’all might want to read a book about the history of Portugal before you move there…
Do you mean the Age of Exploration which then led to African slavery (which is what I am assuming that you are referring to), or the more recent history of dictatorship, which was overthrown 50 years ago in one of the most peaceful revolutions ever (only 5 killed) and so aptly named The Carnation Revolution and installed a democratic government that still exists today?
One was 5-6 hundred years ago and helped create the US (not saying that it is good, but we have a prominent place in that same aspect of history) and the other should be seen as a good thing and nothing to be concerned about. I have lived here for nearly 7 years, and other than a few adaptability problems (like clothes dryers) and language, have had no issues at all and love it here.
 
It’s not expensive to relocate in certain countries.

Plane tickets and moving stuff over are the main expenses and it’s not that much.

You can rent cheap outside of the city centers.

Once your there you’re living on the cheap.
Indeed. I did it for 7 years. Had a blast. Wouldn't think twice about moving back. My friends in Switzerland now have a place near Valencia as well... they're saying "come on over!"
 
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