At least 15 killed in New Orleans attack

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Icky Mettle said:
No. They seem nothing alike.

This guy seemed to shift from being frustrated about his divorce and wanting to kill his family to having some dream about joining ISIS and deciding to kill people randomly on Bourbon Street.

Of course, I’m just basing that on the little bit that’s come out thus far.
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But Dylan Roof wasn't wearing a white hood and didn't have his official KKK membership card, he was just a troubled dude having a bad day right?
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Do you understand the concept of a lone wolf terrorist? That's a major part of ISIS's game plan....to inspire people to commit acts of terrorism on its behalf.
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I do. I also know that the Son of Sam killer was convinced that the neighbor's dog was telling him to kill. I expect this guy is in between but likely more toward crazy than fanatic.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Once again, a major part of ISIS's strategy is to inspire people to commit acts of violence on their behalf. You don't need to be inducted into the club in order to be a terrorist. That's why they literally told people to drive into crowds, or attack people with machetes, and why they publish information about how to make explosives, etc.

There seems to be a haste by some to dismiss ISIS as a factor in this terrorist attack because this guy was mentally ill.
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Again, no one said maybe it was part of the motivation. You said he was a member just because he said he joined them. I said just saying that doesn't make you a real member of ISIS. Either way there were other things going on like the divorce that seemed to make him do this, too.
 
finesse said:
I do. I also know that the Son of Sam killer was convinced that the neighbor's dog was telling him to kill. I expect this guy is in between but likely more toward crazy than fanatic.
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And easily exploitable by terrorist groups like ISIS.

If Jeb got a divorce and was pissed and then murdered a bunch of Black people while driving around with a confederate flag on his truck and pledging allegiance to the KKK, would that not be an act of terrorism?
 
StrangePackage said:
I take it back. You may not actually understand the difference, if you think that's not a distinction to be made.

I declare myself a member of the 1982 UNC men's basketball team, then.
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Once again, do you think that ISIS issues membership cards? Charges an annual fee to join?

A better analogy would be registering as unaffiliated but calling yourself a Democrat and then voting straight ticket D in every election. You may not be officially registered as a Democrat, but you're a Democrat.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
But Dylan Roof wasn't wearing a white hood and didn't have his official KKK membership card, he was just a troubled dude having a bad day right?
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No need to go off track with much of a discussion about that here, but Dylan Roof was clearly a troubled dude. He also apparently, for a considerable period of time, consistently held white supremacist beliefs and committed the shooting motivated by those beliefs.

Now I don’t know enough to come to any conclusion about this guy yet, but he voiced frustration about his divorce and discussed wanting to kill his family in a “celebration.” Then he discussed having a dream about joining ISIS, like he just had that dream and planned to join ISIS on a whim. And his plans suddenly changed from killing his family in that “celebration” to carrying out the act he committed. Those reports suggest erratic behavior that does not involve much “political” or cohesive thought.
 
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Icky Mettle said:
No need to go off track with much of a discussion about that here, but Dylan Roof was clearly a troubled dude. He also apparently, for a considerable period of time, consistently held white supremacist beliefs and committed the shooting motivated by those beliefs.

Now I don’t know enough to come to any conclusion about this guy yet, but he voiced frustration about his divorce and discussed wanting to kill his family in a “celebration.” Then he discussed having a dream about joining ISIS, like he just had that dream and planned to join ISIS on a whim. Those reports suggest erratic behavior that does not involve much “political” or cohesive thought.
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This is exactly my thinking.
 
Here's some camera footage of the guy streaking down the street. Some people got out of the way. If he had gone at midnight, he might have killed two hundred people.

 
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Icky Mettle said:
No need to go off track with much of a discussion about that here, but Dylan Roof was clearly a troubled dude. He also apparently, for a considerable period of time, consistently held white supremacist beliefs and committed the shooting motivated by those beliefs.

Now I don’t know enough to come to any conclusion about this guy yet, but he voiced frustration about his divorce and discussed wanting to kill his family in a “celebration.” Then he discussed having a dream about joining ISIS, like he just had that dream and planned to join ISIS on a whim. And his plans suddenly changed from killing his family in that “celebration” to carrying out the act he committed. Those reports suggest erratic behavior that does not involve much “political” or cohesive thought.
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Sounds like this guy was radicalized over a period of years, not overnight. I saw one news story (I can't find it now) that quoted family as saying he had been obsessed with ISIS for the past year. And according to ABC,

"A senior official told ABC News that authorities currently believe Jabbar was radicalized in the last few years — and that radicalization may have been exacerbated by the Israel-Hamas war."
abcnews.go.com

What we know about Shamsud-Din Jabbar, the suspect in the New Orleans attack

The suspect in a deadly attack in New Orleans has been identified as Shamsud-Din Jabbar, a 42-year-old U.S.-born citizen from Texas, according to the FBI.
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Two points:

1. This attack significantly increases Kash Patel’s chances of being confirmed as FBI head. The news conference this am was straight up embarrassing.. Also, focus of FBI needs to return to fighting home grown terrorism instead of prosecuting pro lifers., traditional Catholics, parents at school board meetings, granny J6ers and White Nationalists.

2. Where the hell is Biden? Is he still cashing his paychecks? Jan 20th can’t get here soon enough so the US will have a functioning, living breathing President.
 
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