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Biden pardons | BIDEN ISSUES PREEMPTIVE PARDONS - Family, Fauci, J6 Committee, Others

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ChileG said:
Is it hypocritical to think Hunter should do jail time for tax evasion (when he paid back the $2 million or whatever it was), but when Trump avoids hundreds of millions in taxes, they write it off as “everyone does it!???”
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The big difference is that Trump was much better at separating himself legally. The Trump organization was convicted of tax avoidance and was fined for it but somehow, despite substantial efforts from the Manhattan DA's office, there was no proof that Trump himself was responsible for that tax evasion.

Trump does have a federal tax fraud case pending but it's a civil case and not a criminal case.

I think the biggest difference between Trump and Hunter is that Trump was taking aggressive deductions that a number of tax lawyers said would pass an audit while Hunter just didn't file his tax returns and lied about his income.
 
I agree with both sides of this issue. It feels sleezy that he pardoned Hunter and an abuse of power.

On the flip side of the coin, conservatives have long ago left their moral authority to chase power and there's little doubt that the worst is yet to come under the Trump administration. I agree with taking the gloves off, but I am not sure this was the way to do it.
 
Enigma94 said:
Biden lied about Hunter's laptop at the 2020 debate - hiding behind the false letter of 53 former intelligence officers.
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He lied about not having any knowledge of Hunter's businesses
Lied about not meeting with any of Hunter's associates.
Lied about his family not benefitting from his office.
Lied about "respecting the rule of law" and the "jury verdict" by not issuing a pardon for Hunter.

Yet, he just pardoned Hunter for EVERYTHING contained in that laptop going back to 2014.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I think the biggest difference between Trump and Hunter is that Trump was taking aggressive deductions that a number of tax lawyers said would pass an audit while Hunter just didn't file his tax returns and lied about his income.
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Ah the populist "working man" argument that has made Trump so appealing to blue collar America.
 
bridgetender said:
I agree with both sides of this issue. It feels sleezy that he pardoned Hunter and an abuse of power.

On the flip side of the coin, conservatives have long ago left their moral authority to chase power and there's little doubt that the worst is yet to come under the Trump administration. I agree with taking the gloves off, but I am not sure this was the way to do it.
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I think Biden said he's done with all of us and he's protecting his family. Since Trump put someone in power that wanted to charge Hunter with other crimes a year ago, I can't much blame him. I don't like the look but it is legal and he he doesn't have to worry so much about the assholes in Justice anymore.
 
Ramrouser said:
He lied about not having any knowledge of Hunter's businesses
Lied about not meeting with any of Hunter's associates.
Lied about his family not benefitting from his office.
Lied about "respecting the rule of law" and the "jury verdict" by not issuing a pardon for Hunter.

Yet, he just pardoned Hunter for EVERYTHING contained in that laptop going back to 2014.
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Is there a single bit of this that is provable?
 
Ramrouser said:
He lied about not having any knowledge of Hunter's businesses
Lied about not meeting with any of Hunter's associates.
Lied about his family not benefitting from his office.
Lied about "respecting the rule of law" and the "jury verdict" by not issuing a pardon for Hunter.

Yet, he just pardoned Hunter for EVERYTHING contained in that laptop going back to 2014.
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You are such a pathetic loser you can't even quote a post correctly.
 
superrific said:
Well, then, you must be a super tasty morsel for the mind worms if they are getting in without any exposure.

I'm quite sure that you cannot find anything about Hunter being a money launderer, unless you don't know what that term means. There is zero evidence of that, as far as I'm aware. There's bullshit from Comer's committee, which is a fucking joke and is just hoping to confuse people who don't know how things work. If there is any evidence of Hunter Biden laundering money -- evidence, not groundless speculation -- then yeah I'd like to see it.
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The laundering claim comes from the fact that 150 transactions to either Hunter or Jim Biden were red flagged by the bank, by a person who's job it is to catch money laundering, for a variety reasons. One being $3 million dollars from China for which there were apparently no services or any loan documentation provided to justify the payment. That money was them quickly moved to other accounts and eventually some amount made it to Joe as, I believe, a "loan payment".

There's also the document where Hunter claims to be paying Joe about $49k in rent while he was living in Joe's Delaware home. Those payments started 2 months after Joe left office. An amazing coincidence..... Nothing on Joe's publicly available tax returns reflects rent in that amount.

Now, politicians aren't dumb. They have lawyers who are skilled at making things appear legal on paper, so there is no smoking gun, per se.
 
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ZenMode said:
The laundering claim comes from the fact that 150 transactions to either Hunter or Jim Biden were red flagged by the bank, by a person who's job it is to catch money laundering, for a variety reasons. One being $5 million dollars from China for which there were apparently no services or any loan documentation provided to justify the payment. That money was them quickly moved to other accounts and eventually some amount made it to Joe as, I believe, a "loan payment".

There's also the document where Hunter claims to be paying Joe about $49k in rent while he was living in Joe's Delaware home. Those payments started 2 months after Joe left office. An amazing coincidence..... Nothing on publicly available tax returns reflects rent in that amount.

Now, politicians aren't dumb. They have lawyers who are skilled at making things appear legal on paper, so there is no smoking gun, per se.
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When you post this kind of stuff, sources and links would seem appropriate.
 
bridgetender said:
I agree with both sides of this issue. It feels sleezy that he pardoned Hunter and an abuse of power.

On the flip side of the coin, conservatives have long ago left their moral authority to chase power and there's little doubt that the worst is yet to come under the Trump administration. I agree with taking the gloves off, but I am not sure this was the way to do it.
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If I were in Joe's position, I would have a hard time not pardoning my son to keep him out of jail.
 
lawtig02 said:
Ah the populist "working man" argument that has made Trump so appealing to blue collar America.
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Seems like more of a legalistic distinction than a working man argument. A working man argument would be more along the lines of Hunter was convicted and Trump wasn't which would be true but not really offer the details that I originally offered.
 
ZenMode said:
The laundering claim comes from the fact that 150 transactions to either Hunter or Jim Biden were red flagged by the bank, by a person who's job it is to catch money laundering, for a variety reasons. One being $3 million dollars from China for which there were apparently no services or any loan documentation provided to justify the payment. That money was them quickly moved to other accounts and eventually some amount made it to Joe as, I believe, a "loan payment".

There's also the document where Hunter claims to be paying Joe about $49k in rent while he was living in Joe's Delaware home. Those payments started 2 months after Joe left office. An amazing coincidence..... Nothing on Joe's publicly available tax returns reflects rent in that amount.

Now, politicians aren't dumb. They have lawyers who are skilled at making things appear legal on paper, so there is no smoking gun, per se.
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There's a reason AML alerts and SARs are generally confidential and not subject to disclosure. The enormous majority of them -- like 99%+ -- are not actually indicative of money laundering or illegal activity.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Seems like more of a legalistic distinction than a working man argument. A working man argument would be more along the lines of Hunter was convicted and Trump wasn't which would be true but not really offer the details that I originally offered.
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And any person who says, “Trump was never convicted of a crime, so I can’t hold that against him,” would have to say the exact same thing about Biden, lest that person be labeled a “hypocrite.”
There may be one or two MAGAs in America that would say that, but probably not.
 
StrangePackage said:
Even if it all were demonstrably true, I'm not sure what the objection would be from ramrouser. If true, is this somehow bad, or disqualifying?
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Reading all of this faux outrage or moral indignation from Trumpers or bosiders here and elsewhere is truly rich. Trump is appointing sex abusers to his cabinet and a virtual rogue's gallery of people to high government positions, some of whom he pardoned for crimes in his first term. Among them (to cite just one among many) is his candidate for Ambassador to France, who was "sentenced to two years in prison after pleading guilty to 16 federal counts of filing false tax returns, one count of retaliating against a cooperating witness and one count of making false statements to the Federal Election Commission." Among his crimes, "the lead prosecutor in the federal case against Charles Kushner alleged the real estate mogul had assisted in filing false tax returns claiming over $1 million in charitable donations as office expenses" and "Kushner also admitted to paying a prostitute $25,000 to lure his brother-in-law to a New Jersey motel room and film them having sex, with the recording then being sent to the man’s wife, Kushner’s sister, to intimidate him as he cooperated with investigators." Trump claimed he pardoned Kushner because he had donated to charities, even though he was accused by the prosecutor of lying about his charitable donations. And this is just one of 74 people Trump pardoned at the end of his first term, including many similar shady characters like Roger Stone.

So you'll have to excuse me for not really caring about this. Yell hypocrite or whatever the hell you want, I simply don't care. Eight years ago I would have cared about this, but not now.
 
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lawtig02 said:
There's a reason AML alerts and SARs are generally confidential and not subject to disclosure. The enormous majority of them -- like 99%+ -- are not actually indicative of money laundering or illegal activity.
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Indeed. It's actually an order of magnitude higher than that, at least. There are about 25 million such reports or notifications every year. Less than a thousand are actionable. Or maybe less than 10,000. Don't remember the decimal point off the top of my head, but it's 99.9+% at least.

I would guess that half the posters here have had an SAR (or similar notification) filed about their activity. I have. If you've ever received a significant payment from a private entity that the bank doesn't know (and there are millions of them), then you've likely been flagged for an SAR. In law school, I worked as a programming consultant and my client had liquidity issues. They usually owed me about $40-50K at any one time, which was fine with me except when I needed money for tuition. My fifth semester in law school, the company didn't have the funds, so the owner of the company (who was an alum of my law school and who liked me) paid me personally (I assume he then sought reimbursement). The check was written by an LLC. Boom! SAR.
 
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