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[superrific]

So a lot of calls to fire Coach Davis and he is 13-2.

Yesterday SMU started 4 seniors who have been in the program all four years. Those guys shot 62% and scored 78 points

If I had to bet, I would bet that SMU will do better than us throughout the season because they are a team of experienced seniors who have been together since they were freshmen. They also have a very good coach.

I would not be shocked if they made the Final Four. This team has the ingredients for a national championship recipe

Technically those seniors haven't been in the program all four years, and that's what makes it worse. They've been in the program for at least a year, so there isn't a discontinuity; but it means the player quality is going to be high because they were pulling good players from lesser schools. Like Knecht and Cade Tyson had he worked out.

 

[superrific]

Not the question you asked but I would say it is super frustrating to see them consistently be where that talent wants to play.

Well, they made it happen with skullduggery. The reason that everyone wants to go there is that Zion, Banchero, Irving and Flagg were all #1 picks overall, and plenty of other guys have been drafted in the lottery. They have the system set up and others have to catch up. Why did they have the system set up? Because they decided to go the UK route; basically no classes, special perks, money, etc.

It's no mystery. Yes it sucks but that's life. It's better than Trump

 

[superrific]

I completely disagree with your take on Love. Please elaborate on your claims.

What do you mean, elaborate? He had terrible shot selection; was a very selfish player; a very inefficient scorer; his effort was inconsistent on defense; and while he was here, our players obviously did not like each other. In the bomb year, they were playing with no joy. Then Love leaves and the team did well and the players again looked like they were enjoying playing.

Like I said, there have been other players like this from time to time. They kill programs because they are too good in one aspect of the game -- usually scoring -- to sit, but too bad in other aspects -- usually efficiency and/or defense -- to be good players overall. And they are major chemistry killers.

I wonder if the reason that HD was ready to move on from Cadeau is that he feared a Caleb like situation. It would not surprise me if EC was a bad chemistry guy. You wouldn't think so, but he's a guy who came in thinking he was headed straight to the NBA and then that dream faded. Note that I have no knowledge here; I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also possible that HD is bad at handling problem players. We've had problem players in the past who were able to get with the program. Danny Green comes to mind, and he got refocused his senior year especially. I'm sure there are a lot of other guys who had their problem moments, and the coaches took care of it before it became a serious problem. I don't know anything behind the scenes. Of course, sometimes the problem players don't get fixed and have to leave (e.g. McInnis, Rozier).

 

[Centerpiece]

Perhaps we need another thread on UNC basketball specific to Coach HD. A catch all thread for all the pro HD folks, the anti-HD folks and those who are still on the fence. With this new thread, all of the HD brouhahas and rhubarbs can have a place, while all of the Ritmos/game threads can just be about the particular game at hand… and not devolve into a moan and groan session about the coach(es) and prior games/teams/players.

 

[finesse]

I slightly prefer fewer threads and just skipping over the shit that bores me. Makes it easier if I want to go back and look up something.

 

[SnoopRob]

Perhaps we need another thread on UNC basketball specific to Coach HD. A catch all thread for all the pro HD folks, the anti-HD folks and those who are still on the fence. With this new thread, all of the HD brouhahas and rhubarbs can have a place, while all of the Ritmos/game threads can just be about the particular game at hand… and not devolve into a moan and groan session about the coach(es) and prior games/teams/players.

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UNC Sports Thread 'Hot Stove: UNC Basketball'

Mar 22, 2025

After UNC loses a game it should have won to a team it should beat 70-80% of the time, it's time for the off-season and all the reflection and anticipation that it entails.

So, who's coming and who's going? Do Powell and Jackson go pro? Does Washington or Cadeau hit the portal? It could be a confusing and confounding interim over the next few months. Post here what you think will happen in this off-season of discontent.

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[thebruinbleedstarheelblue]

And yet that team has yet to win a title under Scheyer and has the same number of Final Fours as Davis, despite all of their recruiting successes. And they've suffered some humiliating NCAA Tourney losses on the national stage under him. Maybe Scheyer will start winning titles, maybe he won't, but one could certainly make a strong argument that so far Scheyer is actually "doing less with more" than Davis has. He's been more consistent, but so far doesn't have much hardware to show for it. I will say that if Scheyer does win a title then that would obviously greatly increase the pressure on Davis.

Hubert has had 2 seasons that were embarrassing disasters..both teams had more talent 97% of D1 teams.

Scheyer hasn't closed, but has not flopped in that way.

 

[stankeylegjones]

What do you mean, elaborate? He had terrible shot selection; was a very selfish player; a very inefficient scorer; his effort was inconsistent on defense; and while he was here, our players obviously did not like each other. In the bomb year, they were playing with no joy. Then Love leaves and the team did well and the players again looked like they were enjoying playing.

Like I said, there have been other players like this from time to time. They kill programs because they are too good in one aspect of the game -- usually scoring -- to sit, but too bad in other aspects -- usually efficiency and/or defense -- to be good players overall. And they are major chemistry killers.

I wonder if the reason that HD was ready to move on from Cadeau is that he feared a Caleb like situation. It would not surprise me if EC was a bad chemistry guy. You wouldn't think so, but he's a guy who came in thinking he was headed straight to the NBA and then that dream faded. Note that I have no knowledge here; I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also possible that HD is bad at handling problem players. We've had problem players in the past who were able to get with the program. Danny Green comes to mind, and he got refocused his senior year especially. I'm sure there are a lot of other guys who had their problem moments, and the coaches took care of it before it became a serious problem. I don't know anything behind the scenes. Of course, sometimes the problem players don't get fixed and have to leave (e.g. McInnis, Rozier).

How much of that terrible shot selection, inefficiency scorer, etc. came from being the one (typically) asked to jack up a 3 late in the shot clock after the set had broken down? I'd be willing to wager a lot. Yes, he did take a shot or few each game that you wished he didn't, bad shots, but so do a lot of players, many of which you'd never call a cancer. Yes, he did take some plays off on defense, so did a lot of others on his UNC team. I'd be willing to bet that going from preseason #1 to bubble team, very quickly, with no signs that your staff have any answers, led more to the playing with no joy on that team. You seem to be putting all bad things that happened while he was here directly on his shoulders, while also calling him a team cancer. I disagree. I think he took a lot of heat, much like EC did, that he shouldn't have. Finally, even if you still disagree with everything I've said, how often do team cancers on one team suddenly stop being team cancers when they move over to another team? Typically, players who truly are cancers remain cancers. He was not what anyone would call a cancer at Zona. Keep in mind Coach Rob decided to move there with him.

 

[heelinhell]

dook had several things in place when Scheyer took over. One was for years a private equity group existed to help fund the program. Now that paying players is legal, they can work openly.

They also put in an infrastructure to help - like embracing multiple staff to do in game video, etc.

They keep close contact with pro coaches even to the point of enlisting them to help come up with a one year, best plan for Cooper Flagg.

I absolutely agree that their being private has helped them over the years.

Technically those seniors haven't been in the program all four years, and that's what makes it worse. They've been in the program for at least a year, so there isn't a discontinuity; but it means the player quality is going to be high because they were pulling good players from lesser schools. Like Knecht and Cade Tyson had he worked out.

I think they have, but it if you have different data , please post...

 

[thebruinbleedstarheelblue]

What do you mean, elaborate? He had terrible shot selection; was a very selfish player; a very inefficient scorer; his effort was inconsistent on defense; and while he was here, our players obviously did not like each other. In the bomb year, they were playing with no joy. Then Love leaves and the team did well and the players again looked like they were enjoying playing.

Like I said, there have been other players like this from time to time. They kill programs because they are too good in one aspect of the game -- usually scoring -- to sit, but too bad in other aspects -- usually efficiency and/or defense -- to be good players overall. And they are major chemistry killers.

I wonder if the reason that HD was ready to move on from Cadeau is that he feared a Caleb like situation. It would not surprise me if EC was a bad chemistry guy. You wouldn't think so, but he's a guy who came in thinking he was headed straight to the NBA and then that dream faded. Note that I have no knowledge here; I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me.

It's also possible that HD is bad at handling problem players. We've had problem players in the past who were able to get with the program. Danny Green comes to mind, and he got refocused his senior year especially. I'm sure there are a lot of other guys who had their problem moments, and the coaches took care of it before it became a serious problem. I don't know anything behind the scenes. Of course, sometimes the problem players don't get fixed and have to leave (e.g. McInnis, Rozier).

The Coach ultimately controls a player's shot selection. Hubert didn't have a problem with Caleb shot selection... he just rode the wave of a streaky player instead of creating the best role for the team...he let RJ do the same thing last year.

 

[finesse]

How much of that terrible shot selection, inefficiency scorer, etc. came from being the one (typically) asked to jack up a 3 late in the shot clock after the set had broken down? I'd be willing to wager a lot. Yes, he did take a shot or few each game that you wished he didn't, bad shots, but so do a lot of players, many of which you'd never call a cancer. Yes, he did take some plays off on defense, so did a lot of others on his UNC team. I'd be willing to bet that going from preseason #1 to bubble team, very quickly, with no signs that your staff have any answers, led more to the playing with no joy on that team. You seem to be putting all bad things that happened while he was here directly on his shoulders, while also calling him a team cancer. I disagree. I think he took a lot of heat, much like EC did, that he shouldn't have. Finally, even if you still disagree with everything I've said, how often do team cancers on one team suddenly stop being team cancers when they move over to another team? Typically, players who truly are cancers remain cancers. He was not what anyone would call a cancer at Zona. Keep in mind Coach Rob decided to move there with him.

Keep in mind that Coach Rob was seriously pissed he wasn't considered more strongly for the job. My son is a friend of the family so I used to talk to one of his relatives at my son's place. That's why he left the area. I wouldn't put any serious stock in them ending up in the same place.

 

[UNCMSinLS]

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UNC Sports Thread 'Hot Stove: UNC Basketball'

Mar 22, 2025

After UNC loses a game it should have won to a team it should beat 70-80% of the time, it's time for the off-season and all the reflection and anticipation that it entails.

So, who's coming and who's going? Do Powell and Jackson go pro? Does Washington or Cadeau hit the portal? It could be a confusing and confounding interim over the next few months. Post here what you think will happen in this off-season of discontent.

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Hey, thanks for the shoutout and the attention to this matter, Snoop.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Keep in mind that Coach Rob was seriously pissed he wasn't considered more strongly for the job. My son is a friend of the family so I used to talk to one of his relatives at my son's place. That's why he left the area. I wouldn't put any serious stock in them ending up in the same place.

I also remember hearing/reading on IC about the Rob/HD/Roy situation, I think I read (but could totally be off here) that HD didn't retain him. I was pointing more to the fact that he could've chosen another place to spend his last couple of years coaching before retiring, but decided to spend them on a team/program where Love was, after having spent several years with him prior. If Love was a cancer, I'm not sure he'd sign up for that.

 

[finesse]

I also remember hearing/reading on IC about the Rob/HD/Roy situation, I think I read (but could totally be off here) that HD didn't retain him. I was pointing more to the fact that he could've chosen another place to spend his last couple of years coaching before retiring, but decided to spend them on a team/program where Love was, after having spent several years with him prior. If Love was a cancer, I'm not sure he'd sign up for that.

Being able to play golf year round was likely as important. They were all avid golfers. My son occasionally played with them.

I'm not saying that Caleb had nothing to do with it. I'm pretty sure they got along although I never asked any questions about such around any of them. I'm just saying that it was a place already under consideration for retirement although I have no idea how strongly. I just think that it was a confluence of things and not some great bond that made this happen.

 

[donbosco]

Technically those seniors haven't been in the program all four years, and that's what makes it worse. They've been in the program for at least a year, so there isn't a discontinuity; but it means the player quality is going to be high because they were pulling good players from lesser schools. Like Knecht and Cade Tyson had he worked out.

I think more than anything is the skill-building that they each experienced by playing significant time and being coached up.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Hubert has had 2 seasons that were embarrassing disasters..both teams had more talent 97% of D1 teams.

Scheyer hasn't closed, but has not flopped in that way.

We certainly had talent, but I wouldn't say it was more talent than 97% of other D1 teams. And I said that Scheyer has certainly been more consistent, at least so far, but he not only hasn't closed, but has suffered some embarrassing losses (like last year) in the tournament. I have a hard time with the argument that, based on a little more than three years of direct competition, that Scheyer is clearly a better coach.

 

[Bigs23]

We certainly had talent, but I wouldn't say it was more talent than 97% of other D1 teams. And I said that Scheyer has certainly been more consistent, at least so far, but he not only hasn't closed, but has suffered some embarrassing losses (like last year) in the tournament. I have a hard time with the argument that, based on a little more than three years of direct competition, that Scheyer is clearly a better coach.

Let's be real last year's dook team was so loaded an undefeated season was a very reasonable goal.

UNC has had good college talent under Hubert but nothing close to what dook rolls out on a yearly basis.

 

[Centerpiece]

I slightly prefer fewer threads and just skipping over the shit that bores me. Makes it easier if I want to go back and look up something.

I get that.
I just prefer game threads which don’t contain shit on them that bores me.
Makes it easier to simply read and discuss a specific game and not have to sift through all this other bull shit… like the past 8 fucking pages on this ritmos thread.

 

[donbosco]

January 6, 1965.

 

[mpaer]

We certainly had talent, but I wouldn't say it was more talent than 97% of other D1 teams. And I said that Scheyer has certainly been more consistent, at least so far, but he not only hasn't closed, but has suffered some embarrassing losses (like last year) in the tournament. I have a hard time with the argument that, based on a little more than three years of direct competition, that Scheyer is clearly a better coach.

Please remember dook has not won a final Four game since 2015
We have won 4 Including the drop the mic dook game in 2022
It is not all gloom and doom