Biorhythms for Carolina @Virginia: Post-Game Discussion

Bigs23 said:
Isaiah Evans, a top 2024 recruit and current Duke freshman, was ranked as a consensus five-star player nationally (around #8 by ESPN, #10 by 247Sports) and the #1 player in North Carolina by ESPN

Patrick Ngongba II is a 6'11" sophomore center for the Duke Blue Devils, entering the 2026 NBA Draft conversation as a potential first-round pick. Formerly a five-star recruit (No. 19 overall, 247Sports) in the 2024 class, he has shown elite efficiency and defensive potential as a high-level big man.

Dame Sarr, a 6-foot-7 (or 6'8") elite international guard/forward from Italy, is a 5-star prospectin the 2025 recruiting class, ranked as high as No. 17 overall in the final On3 150 rankings.

Caleb Foster was a highly-rated five-star point guard in the 2023 recruiting class, ranking as the No. 13-24 prospect nationally.

Darren Harris was a consensus four-star, top-60 shooting guard prospect in the 2024 class from Paul VI Catholic in Virginia who committed to Duke. Ranked around No. 31–56 nationally(No. 45 by ESPN, No. 56 by 247Sports), he was the 2023-24 Gatorade Virginia Player of the Year, known as an elite shooter and 2024 state champion.
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No one thinks UNC's talent is comparable to duke's. Silly case to make. Just say scheyer is better recruiter and has bigger bank. Well maybe there is one person on the talent thing.
 
heel79 said:
No one thinks UNC's talent is comparable to duke's. Silly case to make. Just say scheyer is better recruiter and has bigger bank. Well maybe there is one person on the talent thing.
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O was the one who very clumsily tried to make a valuation - shouldn’t have used dook because I wasn’t trying to compare so much as test the rating of our players versus those of other teams.

But that AI stuff was garbage. Maybe 247 Composite is also garbage.
 
Icky Mettle said:
I know that was Dean’s plan when he did it, but I’m not sure that was the general plan as of several months or more before that. I don’t know what was always in Dean’s head, but I think the general understanding among those within/close to the program was that Roy would be the successor when Dean retired.
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I don't claim insider status because I know I'm not. But back in the day I had one good connection who would occasionally give me information that was as good as you could get. I know where his info came from and I couldn't have had a better source (when I could get him to talk).

The last few years of Dean's career, he was pretty burned out by the end of each season. He'd slow down a bit in the summers (except for recruiting, of course) and by the time school was starting again he'd get his fire back. But those experiences were what led to his statement about knowing it was time to step down when he just wasn't able to do that in 1997.

The plan had always been for Coach Gut to get a chance to be the HC, but it was expected that he'd only be in the role for 1 year. And then Roy would come back to CH from Kansas to take over the program in a permanent role. But Coach Gut threw that plan into disarray by staying for 3 years, which upset Roy and led him to promise his recruits in the HS class of '99 that he'd be there for all 4 years of their college career (as the rumor was well-known by then that Roy was believed to be returning to CH whenever Coach Gut retired). When Coach Gut did retire after the 2000 season, there was a lot of hope and/or expectation in CH that Roy would return, but it wasn't the slam dunk that it would have been had Coach Gut stepped down in 1998.

And while not quite germane to Dean's plan of handing the program off to Coach Gut before transitioning to Roy, Roy really did think that when he turned down Dean and Carolina in 2000 that he'd closed the door on his chance to return. He assumed that whomever Carolina hired next would be here for a good while and he initially believed he had burned the bridge that would allow him to ever have the job. Of course, by the time the job was open again in 2003 he knew that he was still loved in CH and that Dean and the program would gladly have him return.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Do we truly have faith in the UNC head coach hiring process? If HD was pushed out, what are the odds that we would wind up with somebody better? Somebody equivalent? Somebody worse?

He's clearly not performing consistently at the level we expect of a UNC head coach. But there is not a slam dunk Roy Williams option out there waiting for us.

HD is not a bad coach IMO. A bad coach does not take his first team to the NC game. He's inexperienced... learning as he goes, on the biggest stage, under the brightest lights. His highs rank among some of the greatest moments for me as a fan... his lows have been pretty darn dark.

Can he smooth out those lows to Sweet 16ish kind of seasons? That's the question to me. Some clearly think no. I still think he can. Reasonable minds can differ, especially on something as ephemeral as betting on personal/ professional growth.

But I do think it's worth asking the question, could things be worse? Having lived through the Doh Wars, I can answer that question with 100% certainty. HD is a good man. From a character standpoint, he's a lot like Dean and Roy. Can he be an equivalent coach? I honestly don't know... especially in the new world of college sports that drove Roy out.

But personally, I'd rather give HD a bit more runway before playing the russian roulette of UNC head coaching searches... that's just me. I also think we as fans are doing more damage to the program right now with the constant speculation on HD's future. He's done an amazing job of recruiting top tier talent despite it, but we are definitely hurting the program by having these constant public debates.
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“Can he smooth out those lows to Sweet 16 seasons?”

You do know that’s a RIDICULOUS expectation?
 
Zoo_View said:
“Can he smooth out those lows to Sweet 16 seasons?”

You do know that’s a RIDICULOUS expectation?
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Is it really ridiculous to expect UNC basketball to be in the sweet 16 much more than not? That is the reality for our biggest rival, the school who we compare ourselves to, and the school we expect to compete with yearly.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Is it really ridiculous to expect UNC basketball to be in the sweet 16 much more than not? That is the reality for our biggest rival, the school who we compare ourselves to, and the school we expect to compete with yearly.
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Please change the we to you. You're certainly not speaking for me. I really don't envy the soulless program they have that has no real connection to the school itself and cares only about winning.

Yes, I'm one who would rather have a good program with great peaks that maintains some sort of connection to ethos of our history. I get that's not for you and I expect that your POV will win but please don't smear me with it.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Is it really ridiculous to expect UNC basketball to be in the sweet 16 much more than not? That is the reality for our biggest rival, the school who we compare ourselves to, and the school we expect to compete with yearly.
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That's not what the post said.

It said “Can he smooth out those lows to Sweet 16 seasons?”

Nobody has sweet 16s as their low points.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Is it really ridiculous to expect UNC basketball to be in the sweet 16 much more than not? That is the reality for our biggest rival, the school who we compare ourselves to, and the school we expect to compete with yearly.
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Amazingly, since the NCAAT field expanded to 64, the longest stretch UNC went without reaching a Sweet 16 was 4 years, from 2001-2004. Other than that (since the field expanded to 64), UNC has never gone more than 2 years without reaching the Sweet 16, and that only happened twice, from 2013-2014 and from 2020-2021.
 
finesse said:
Please change the we to you. You're certainly not speaking for me. I really don't envy the soulless program they have that has no real connection to the school itself and cares only about winning.

Yes, I'm one who would rather have a good program with great peaks that maintains some sort of connection to ethos of our history. I get that's not for you and I expect that your POV will win but please don't smear me with it.
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You might be the only UNC basketball fan who doesn't compare their team's results to/against Duke. I'm pretty sure Roy, Dean, HD, ...., every single player and coach has done the same for the past 35 years. Also, comparing \neq envy, and caring about winning doesn't mean you can no longer promote real connections.
 
Icky Mettle said:
Amazingly, since the NCAAT field expanded to 64, the longest stretch UNC went without reaching a Sweet 16 was 4 years, from 2001-2004. Other than that (since the field expanded to 64), UNC has never gone more than 2 years without reaching the Sweet 16, and that only happened twice, from 2013-2014 and from 2020-2021.
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So, it does seem that the base expectation for UNC basketball should be reaching the sweet 16 much more than not.
 
finesse said:
Yes, I'm one who would rather have a good program with great peaks that maintains some sort of connection to ethos of our history.
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So that I'm clear, you think HD/staff have done enough to prove to you that they are the right people to lead UNC basketball program, and as long as they continue the status quo of the past 4.5 years they should be allowed to lead it until they choose to step away?
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
I think he needs to do better than that. We hired a GM and dropped a lot of cash on this team. IMO he needs to do more than have a borderline season. He's had 2 good and 2 bad. He needs this one to end better than we are now. I think this team will get better, though. I think Seth is getting back into game mode, the team is remembering how to paly with him, and we are figuring out the PG situation. If that continues, I think HD should keep his job. If we continue to shit the bed like the Cali trip with the occasional good win like UVA and stay top 25ish, then I think he's had his chance. But I'd love for us to just stop making every single win or loss a referendum on this topic... it just might cost us the #1 PG in next year's class.
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are we counting 2022 as good? it was really only good during February and March....

and we started feb by getting blown out by dook in the dome and also lost at home to pitt a couple of weeks later, so even that is iffy....
 
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4thgenheel said:
are we counting 2022 as good? it was really only good during February and March....
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I'd say 2022 was a good season. We went 17-4 over the last 21 games from late January to early April. That's more than half the season. We went 15-5 in conference. We also stacked two of the biggest wins in program history and made the national final. If we can't count that as a good season then what are we doing?
 
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