What would you think he should be willing to pay? Cadeau was (and still is) a project. I would have loved for him to have stayed but I wouldn't have emptied my pockets for him or made any promises about playing time or starts. Would you have done any of those?
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There were also rumors that he left because of the way he was treated by fans/alumni.
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I saw very little from Cadeau last year that would suggest he would be much of a net positive this year. He certainly didn't seem to have a very good attitude and his unwillingness to work on his game was probably not helpful in HD's estimation.
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You are if you say we won't give you the 2 million in NIL you wanted to stay and we are going to give another PG transfer 2 million...
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Not at all. Wade was laughing about it.
It’s like ignoring your girlfriend and then she breaks up with you.
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A few comments...Cadeau- is a much better fit than who have now at PG. His FG% and assist/game was much higher than who we have today. Why would Trimble leave ? He would be paired in the backcourt with Cadeau
Lubin- has better stats than Stevenson both scoring and rebounding and could play Center and PF off the bench
Nickel-viewed as a developmental piece but so what ? It would be nice to have an experienced senior averaging 15 pts/game, shooting 44% from the 3 point line and 82% as a SF/SG, no ?
Washington - has better stats than Stevenson both scoring and rebounding and could play Center and PF off the bench
Give me an experienced and proven Cadeau at PG rather than what we have today
Let me thank the lord Trimble returned as a senior and experienced SG and team leader
Give me a Senior and experienced Nickel shooting lights out at SF
Give me experienced Lubin and Washington spelling ( replacing now ? ) Caleb and Henri under the basket
And give me a decent backup combo transfer guard.
Even I could compete coaching that team for a Final Four/National Championship with that lineup
First, I mean this as kindly & non-snarkily as I can say it; this isn't a fantasy league draft where you pick the players you want and they have to be yours. In order to get a player, you have to meet their demands and there are often trade-offs between players. Just because you'd like them to stay in CH and fit the role you have in mind for them, doesn't mean they have to agree and stay.
As far as Cadeau, you can't play him with Trimble because combined they are too small for a starting backcourt. Also, after 2 years in the system, he wasn't performing terribly well and, seemingly, either needed to be featured a bit more or he needed a new start elsewhere. Trimble wanted the ball in his hands a bit more if he were going to return, meaning more fit issues with Cadeau. The reality is that there was a Cadeau/Trimble decision that had to be made and HD chose Trimble. You're welcome to decide for yourself if you think that was a good decision. (I, personally, would have gone with Cadeau, absent any inside info that hasn't leaked.)
HD & the staff wanted Lubin back, he left because he didn't like his role and got a better offer. I would have loved for him to have stuck around for this year, but he didn't and there's not much HD could have done about that. Also, the trade-off for Lubin wasn't Stevenson, it was Veesaar. Lubin felt he'd earned a starting spot (or at least a major role) and when we were bringing in both Veesaar and Caleb, the writing was on the wall for him. Will Wade's idiotic comments aside, Lubin is a great 3rd option in the post, but you don't really want him playing more than about 15-20 minutes per game. He also can't really handle most PFs unless they're an undersized post like he is, so you've got to play him pretty exclusively at the 5. But, again, the staff wanted Lubin to stay and the biggest problem is that he got a better offer elsewhere.
Washington is a stretch 4, but he struggled a lot during his time at Carolina. He wasn't a direct trade-off with Stevenson (as Jarin is more a large 3/4 rather than a 4/5), but they do have some similar traits. The real trade-off here was likely Lubin vs. Washington as the primary backup big and HD & staff choose Lubin as the better option to pair with Veesaar & Caleb. There was simply put no way both of them were going to stay to compete with each other to be backup bigs, as shown by the fact that both of them ended up leaving. I liked Jalen while he was here, but he wasn't starter material and he wasn't really a great 3rd big option and so he was unfortunately expendable, especially when Stevenson wanted to come as a 3/4 instead of a 4/5 with a similar skill set.
I think pretty much every team in America would like to have a senior Tyler Nickel, the problem was that the choice Carolina faced was that a sophomore Tyler Nickel wanted an expanded role and the coaching staff didn't think he was ready for it. The trade-off here was likely sophomore Nickel vs Cormac Ryan or Harrison Ingram on the 2023-2024 team and I am pretty sure that HD made the right call there. Nickel's the kind of guy that we would have loved to have been willing to be a bench guy for a couple of years before getting more minutes as a junior/senior, but he wasn't willing to wait for that role. Again, you can want them but you can't make them stay and Nickel wasn't willing to stay.
In other words, your fantasy lineup is just that...a fantasy. In the era of the transfer portal where players have options, you simply aren't going to be able to keep kids who believe they can get a better role elsewhere (and are often correct in that belief) to be your 3rd/4th big or to be a non-featured player on offense.
If you want to criticize the player retention choices that HD has made, you're free to do that, but it needs to be done within the context of recognizing realistic trade-offs and plausible lineups.
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He encourages that stuff. He's a chode.
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Prior to last night’s game the team was shooting 34.5% from 3. They hit 36% against Pitt. They hit 34.5% against lolstate and it’s a 6 point game. I know making 6 additional 3’s doesn’t happen in a vacuum. But no real inside presence and hitting 15% of 33 3’s on the road against the rubes is gonna be a blowout. And lots of misses unguarded.
This team plays inside out. Take away the inside and it’s not good especially when it is like 35 points and over 18 boards. You’re taking away essentially 2 double doubles a game. Plus how many of the drives to the basket by lolstate would have happened with Wilson and Veesaar around the lane?
Did the team play with the energy that it needed? No. And believe Wilson addressed that in the locker room. But this was their big moment. The team that routinely kicks their ass was down their two best players and they’re playing at home. They had tons of energy. Heels just didn’t match it or come close. Will be interesting to see this team on the road at the Cuse Saturday.
This team plays inside out. Take away the inside and it’s not good especially when it is like 35 points and over 18 boards. You’re taking away essentially 2 double doubles a game. Plus how many of the drives to the basket by lolstate would have happened with Wilson and Veesaar around the lane?
Did the team play with the energy that it needed? No. And believe Wilson addressed that in the locker room. But this was their big moment. The team that routinely kicks their ass was down their two best players and they’re playing at home. They had tons of energy. Heels just didn’t match it or come close. Will be interesting to see this team on the road at the Cuse Saturday.
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You make some valid points, but one small correction. It's not me picking the players I want; It's me picking and keeping the players we actually had. No matter the reasons why, we did not have what it would take to keep them and so we are left with what we have.
I'm guessing Michigan, Vandy, and ncst are pretty happy. Is it ok if I am not as happy with what we have now excepting our 3 man team of Seth, Caleb, and Henri ?
Which big on our team would you trade Lubin for? Every player kept takes the place of one we have.
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I would have Lubin be 1st off the bench at the PF/C or in this case starting at either PF or C
Lubin is playing 27 minutes/game at ncst and averages 14 pts and 7 rebounds.
Stevenson and High are getting 32 min. game
I'm not saying run off Soph High and/or Jr Stevenson; I'm just saying playing Lubin 27 minutes would be better than playing High and Stevenson 32 minutes
Think we could have swapped them even up? I'd have gone for it.
Fwiw, is there any truth to what I've heard that Lubin decided ,after Jalen Washington left when Lubin stayed, that he was worth more in terms of money and time than he had agreed to? I didn't hear specifics but, if true, puts a little different spin on a lot of things like why Washington left and why Lubin went elsewhere. I guarantee that if he did the bait and switch thing, he would have been better off leaving.
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I think pretty much everyone agrees that we'd rather have Lubin out there than High (Stevenson would likely be more a personal preference), but Lubin wasn't willing to be here to wait 75% of the season so he could start when Veesaar & Caleb got hurt. (I mean, the lack of vision on that guy, right?) We offered him that role and he bounced to Raleigh.
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You'd have to be more precise in sharing what you heard so we could judge it, but I think it's pretty obvious that Lubin left because he got a better offer in terms of money & playing time than what Carolina was offering him (or else he almost certainly wouldn't have left).
I'd be more precise if I had more information. I heard a rumor that after Lubin committed to staying, Washington decided to leave. Once Washington left, Lubin tried to leverage a better deal. I have no facts about the truth of anything including the timing of Washington's decision to leave or Lubin's decision to stay. It might all be bunkum but it might also be part of why Washington left and Lubin changed his mind. It's mostly just curiosity on my part.
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It's not like he would sit on the bench until Caleb and Henri got injured. He still could get the same minutes as he is getting at ncst. I think the question is whether ncst was willing to pay him more than we were. My guess is ncst had deeper pockets.
