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Bobfripp said:
CFordUNC shared this ... you must have missed it. That awful left-wing education! Terrible!

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Dr. Bob, there are many variables that affect education. That doesn't prove anything. Culture, parental educational levels, income, etc. all play a part in that.
 
Ramrouser said:
50 - 60 years ago. My kids were in private school 10 or so years ago. Times change. We’re not forever locked in the 60s and early 70s
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No, but when the assholes who were racists and segregationists back then are still alive and influential, you can't close the door on them, either.
 
heelinhell said:
Back in the mid- 1970s I lived in Peachtree Hills halfway between mid town and Buckhead. There were next no minority folks living near me and I imagine even fewer living in upper crust Buckhead.

I guess 45 years later demographics have changed quite a bit. I would be curious to know where the influx of minority folks live in Buckhead today ? Maybe ram can inform me.
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I have a fair amount of neighbors who are black. The single family residential part of Buckhead is still largely white but not exclusively. A black anesthesiologist and his family live across the street from me - for example.
 
CFordUNC said:
FWIW, I think I agree at least somewhat with your statement about the left being laser focused on meeting the needs of the lowest performers at the expense of meeting the needs of the top performers. Admittedly I don’t have the data to back up that notion other than it’s what my personal perception has been, but at least from my point of view, I don’t think you are entirely wrong.

I do think that your desire to remove the left out of decision-making with regards to education is short-sighted, as there is all kinds of data that shows that school systems in left-controlled areas perform significantly better than those in their right counterparts. That does not mean that everything that the left does is perfect by any means, or the everything that the right does is wrong, just that I think you at least have to acknowledge that based on the educational outcome data that we *do* have, that systems of education generally perform better under liberal direction. Of course that’s not to say that they would not benefit from conservative input- they absolutely would. But one of my biggest gripes with the conservative movement- even when I was a staunch one- has always been that I believe that the right has completely surrendered the battlefield of education to the left by refusing to participate in academia on the whole.
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If they really get their way, the government will fund private education, like they have transitioned so many prisons and look what a success that is.
 
Callatoroy said:
And my preference is for a system that has the ability to serve all of them, though not necessarily in the same school.
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I agree that the system should serve everyone, but it's not always that simple.

Why do you feel that it should be in segregated schools?

From what I've read over the years, If I were going to segregate, I'd do it based on gender. Separate male and females in school. Also, from what I've read, I'd start males a year later.

But there are so many factors in education. Especially the money the parent has. A child whose parents are working 80+ hours a week have little time to spend with their child and unfortunately leave too much to the education system.
 
Callatoroy said:
The right absolutely screwed themselves by allowing the left to monopolize education. And my position on this, or any other topic, has never been for the right to monopolize anything. I fully acknowledge that if given total control, the right would end up screwing things up just as bad, only in other ways.
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So, you believe that they should probably work together so that our children have the best education possible?
 
finesse said:
No, but when the assholes who were racists and segregationists back then are still alive and influential, you can't close the door on them, either.
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Most of the parents at my kids’ private school were either liberal or Romney type Republicans. Hardly Southern racists.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
How did Atlanta “force” you to send your kids to private school?
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By not offering my children the top flight education we were looking for. Admittedly it’s getting better as more parents are now sending their children to public schools due to the absurdly high cost of the Buckhead private schools.
 
Ramrouser said:
Most of the parents at my kids’ private school were either liberal or Romney type Republicans. Hardly Southern racists.
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That's an improvement. However, I'll bet the policies that were set up when the school was founded haven't altered to match. I'm also willing to bet that the parents are willing to turn a blind eye to that for social and educational benefits, such as they are.
 
Callatoroy said:
Dr. Bob, there are many variables that affect education. That doesn't prove anything. Culture, parental educational levels, income, etc. all play a part in that.
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That's true, and parental educational and income levels are all higher in blue states. And these folks tend to vote for Democrats.
 
Perhaps I have a very elementary understanding of this topic (I probably have a very elementary understanding of most topics discussed on this board) but my belief is that it’s far less about “race” or purposefully trying to underperform in educational outcome metrics for Republicans, and far more about the fact that the primary goal, secondary, and tertiary goal of Republicans anytime they are in power is: cut taxes for the ultra wealthy, cut taxes for the ultra wealthy, and for good measure cut taxes for the ultra wealthy some more. To me, that is the primary animating policy aim of Republicans, and so one of the easiest ways to cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and offset the revenue loss of such, is to gut and defund public goods- education being a primary target. It’s really easy to not care about other people‘s kids getting an education as long as yours get theirs.
 
Callatoroy said:
Dr. Bob, there are many variables that affect education. That doesn't prove anything. Culture, parental educational levels, income, etc. all play a part in that.
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Agree, there are many variables. Another reason I believe your pointing at a party to blame is wrong.

In my opinion we need to continue to understand the children, the learning styles, the distractions, the ways to best address individual needs a week as collective needs.
 
A lot of y’all who have been around for a long time have known me from back in my Republican/Trump supporting days in 2015-2018 or so, to my outright loathing and disdain for Trump and for what the GOP has become. I’ve had an about-face on so many of my previously held policy beliefs as i’ve learned not only from the many brilliant people in this community, but also my own lived experiences as I’ve grown up and gotten older.

As I’ve gotten older, as I’ve gained those life experiences, as I’ve made more and more money, and as I’ve gotten wealthier, I found that my own personal policy beliefs have become more liberal on the whole not because I am some left wing ideologue but because I truly do believe that in order for society to be the best and most beneficial for all of us- those of us at the top of the socioeconomic ladder, those in the middle, and those on the lower rungs- we *must* do everything we can to ensure, from a policymaking standpoint, that every single person has every reasonable opportunity to access education, healthcare, nutrition, etc. I believe that the cure for much of the poverty, crime, drug addiction, loneliness, and dissatisfaction in our society is through education, healthcare, and nutrition- and that’s why I believe that we as a collective society, and especially those of us fortunate enough to be well resourced, would be extraordinarily well served to invest in making sure that educational outcomes, healthcare outcomes, nutritional outcomes, occupational outcomes, etc. are good for all of us.
 
UNCatTech said:
So, you believe that they should probably work together so that our children have the best education possible?
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Do I think a right only approach to education would create the best system? No. Then the system would wind up to far the other way. I'm aware of the far right and I don't want them teaching my kids any more than the liberal left.
 
CFordUNC said:
Perhaps I have a very elementary understanding of this topic (I probably have a very elementary understanding of most topics discussed on this board) but my belief is that it’s far less about “race” or purposefully trying to underperform in educational outcome metrics for Republicans, and far more about the fact that the primary goal, secondary, and tertiary goal of Republicans anytime they are in power is: cut taxes for the ultra wealthy, cut taxes for the ultra wealthy, and for good measure cut taxes for the ultra wealthy some more. To me, that is the primary animating policy aim of Republicans, and so one of the easiest ways to cut taxes for the ultra wealthy and offset the revenue loss of such, is to gut and defund public goods- education being a primary target. It’s really easy to not care about other people‘s kids getting an education as long as yours get theirs.
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I don't agree. One of the paying jobs I worked on in graduate school was funded through a grant from lol of all places. It was encapsulated under the umbrella of "community based programming". Fancy way of saying communities solving their own problems through collaborative efforts without relying on g'ment for all. One of the requirements was a strong public education system, including technical colleges. It's also vital for economic development. What business wants to relocate or build a new facility if the area has a bad school district. I don't know a single other business owner who doesn't care about the quality of the city's education system or that wants to abandon public education.
 
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