Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Ramrouser said:
Never Trumpers are the WORST human beings. Hope Conway’s next or Nicole Wallace.
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Why, you yourself have admitted that trump isn't a good person, but he is on your "team" so you overlook all of his shortcomings.

He does absolutely nothing to exemplify a Christian, but the Christians still support him and claim he was sent from God.

Just for the record, I don't want to see anyone murdered.
 
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CFordUNC said:
We should never not point out blatant hypocrisy such as that.
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And why? This "we'll show them" attitude is a contributing factor to where we are now. If you don't "point out" their hypocrisy does that make them any less hypocritical? Is this the only example of their hypocrisy? Is this the only time where you can point out they are hypocritical shits? Is all lost if you don't point this out today on this particular issue? Are the knuckle dragging conservatives going door with a shotgun looking for registered democrats and the only way to stop this is by shaming them on the internet? It seems pretty self evident to anyone outside the MAGA bubble that these people are hate filled warmongers who contribute more to violent rhetoric than any major movement in this country's history. Shaming them now won't fix this problem. We can turn away - allow the legal process to play out - figure out this person's motives and then address the societal issues from there. That seems a lot healthier than whatever the fuck is happening on the internet.
 
SnoopRob said:
It's not terribly hard if you've got some experience with shooting at decent distances in a variety of situations...I would be surprised if a novice could do it very well. Especially once you add in the nerves of knowing that you're about to shoot a person and all hell will break loose once you pull the trigger.
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The fact that the shooter hit Kirk in the neck indicates to me they are a relative novice. An experienced shooter would have hit him in the head or chest. I could see a novice aiming for center mass and hitting him in the neck instead.
 
p5mmr9 said:
And why? This "we'll show them" attitude is a contributing factor to where we are now. If you don't "point out" their hypocrisy does that make them any less hypocritical? Is this the only example of their hypocrisy? Is this the only time where you can point out they are hypocritical shits? Is all lost if you don't point this out today on this particular issue? Are the knuckle dragging conservatives going door with a shotgun looking for registered democrats and the only way to stop this is by shaming them on the internet? It seems pretty self evident to anyone outside the MAGA bubble that these people are hate filled warmongers who contribute more to violent rhetoric than any major movement in this country's history. Shaming them now won't fix this problem. We can turn away - allow the legal process to play out - figure out this person's motives and then address the societal issues from there. That seems a lot healthier than whatever the fuck is happening on the internet.
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I think you’re overthinking it, man. It’s not about “we’ll show them” or at least it is not to me. It’s simply about pointing out that at least two of the most outspoken conservative posters on this thread are doing the literal exact thing to ratchet up the temperature that they supposedly decry. I have absolutely, positively zero delusions that either of the two people to whom I’m referring care about their hypocrisy, and I’m certain they care even less about their hypocrisy being pointed out. That doesn’t make it any less worthy of doing on a message board. Do I think it’s actually going to accomplish anything? Of course not. Does anything on this board ever accomplish anything? Of course not. It doesn’t mean that you can’t call it out
 
wmheel1287 said:
Im a never Trumper. Not sure why that makes me a horrible human being in your point of view, but oh well..
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Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
 
Raijin23 said:
The fact that the shooter hit Kirk in the neck indicates to me they are a relative novice. An experienced shooter would have hit him in the head or chest. I could see a novice aiming for center mass and hitting him in the neck instead.
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Later videos suggest Kirk was hit in the chest but the bullet ricocheted off his bulletproof vest and hit his neck. Which still seems to suggest a relative novice — seems like a professional sniper would have recognized the contours (and likelihood) of a bulletproof vest.
 
I started a separate thread with this question and no one was interested, so I thought I'd drop it here (I didn't take the hint)

Given the recent statement from Mark Kelly regarding both sides tamping down heated rhetoric, I was curious who on the left (with a significant audience) would be similar to Stephen Miller, Charlie Kirk, President Trump, Jessie Waters, etc.

Is calling some actions and members of the current administration fascists the same as as talking about Dems as enemies of the state?

What are examples of boths sides inflammatory rhetoric (again from someone with an actual audience, not some rando on TikTok).
 
Ramrouser said:
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
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Let’s assume that is true. How does that make them any different than, say, your preferred source of information, LibsofTikTok, which takes advantage of and profits on conservatives’ Liberal/Transgender Derangement Syndrome?

I’m not trying to be a smart alec. I’m trying to get you to understand you are every bit as guilty of doing exactly what the people whom you are accusing are doing. Why is it OK for you but not for them?
 
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
 
Ramrouser said:
Actually no. I should have clearer in my statement. I’m referring to the Never Trumper grifters who run the Lincoln Project or are Trump haters simply to secure cable TV gigs. They take advantage of and profit on liberals’ TDS.
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And you see this method of making money as one sided? Unique to Liberals?

Just remember conservatives own talk radio.
 
Ramrouser said:
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
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Haven't read everything, so maybe I missed this.

Why is it relevant if he was a "Novice". From my experience shooting from distance with any level of accuracy, isn't something a "novice" would be capable of, but more importantly, who cares? A man is dead, does the skill level of the shooter really matter?
 
yeah. I feel like I am way less concerned about the skill and expertise level of the shooter than I am about what ideology causes someone to be so depraved, and what complete void of humanity, enables someone to plot, plan, and execute the opportunity to squeeze a trigger that takes another human life in an instant.

It’s very obvious, whether or not this shooter is formally trained military, that he has extreme proficiency with firearms, as well as the means to outfit whatever his high-powered rifle of choice is with the technology necessary to pull off a single shot execution from two football fields away.
 
CFordUNC said:
I have absolutely, positively zero delusions that either of the two people to whom I’m referring care about their hypocrisy, and I’m certain they care even less about their hypocrisy being pointed out.
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You are correct; they do not care about those things. The only thing they care about is someone quoting them to point out their hypocrisy, or to get upset about what they are posting, or to acknowledge them at all.

This is like the Myanmar Junta celebrating Trump putting a tariff on them because the US finally recognized them as the power.

The only true power people have in these situation is to deny them the platform they seek. Super ignore takes away their power and for the life of me I am not sure why people are determined to engage them. You take that power away and these are just people screaming in a vacuum, probably at the tree that fell int he forest that nobody was around to hear.
 
Ramrouser said:
The shooter may or may not have been a “novice” but it was a planned, organized hit. He likely had assistance given his escape.
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Definitely agree on it obviously being planned. On an open college campus would s/he definitely need help to escape?

I guess help is always better, though increases risk of being turned in by an accomplice — my knowledge of planning assassinations comes from reading The Day of the Jackal, so more than a bit dated and entirely fictional.
 
I’ve been following a lot of liberal/leftist accounts, subreddits etc over the past few months- don’t align politically but it’s been the best way to find out how to help families and children in Gaza. I have seen exactly no one celebrating Charlie Kirk’s death. Lots of people on the right seem to believe it’s happening but I just don’t see it.

Also interesting (but not surprising) that none of the mass shootings during Trump’s first term… off the top of my head, Parkland, Pulse Nightclub, Las Vegas, El Paso- prompted anything like the statement from last night to find “each and every one of those who contributed to this atrocity and to other political violence, including the organizations that fund it and support it”
 
altmin said:
You are correct. The only thing they care about is someone quoting them to point out their hypocrisy, or to get upset about what they are posting, or to acknowledge them at all.

This is like the Myanmar Junta celebrating Trump putting a tariff on them because the US finally recognized them as the power.

The only true power people have in these situation is to deny them the platform they seek. Super ignore takes away their power and for the life of me I am not sure why people are determined to engage them. You take that power away and these are just people screaming in a vacuum, probably at the tree that fell int he forest that nobody was around to hear.
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Yeah. I really do need to just have the ability to ignore (I don’t mean use the ignore button, I just mean I really need to obtain the maturity that enables me to ignore stupidity without feeling the need to respond to it). I say it often, but it is definitely weakness and immaturity on my part, and I’m certainly not unashamed of it.
 
CFordUNC said:
Yeah. I really do need to just have the ability to ignore (I don’t mean use the ignore button, I just mean I really need to obtain the maturity that enables me to ignore stupidity without feeling the need to respond to it). I say it often, but it is definitely weakness and immaturity on my part, and I’m certainly not unashamed of it.
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It's not an easy task.

I wasn't capable and had to finally put Zen on ignore and he's not that unbearable.

When I read some of the illogical bullshit on the internet, for some reason I'm drawn to try and correct it, but I have to realize that no one is changing those people. The right has been on this path since Reagan, it's not going to turn quickly.
 
UNCatTech said:
It's not an easy task.

I wasn't capable and had to finally put Zen on ignore and he's not that unbearable.

When I read some of the illogical bullshit on the internet, for some reason I'm drawn to try and correct it, but I have to realize that no one is changing those people. The right has been on this path since Reagan, it's not going to turn quickly.
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Yeah, I think that’s my problem. I feel like I’m trying to correct. I don’t know if it’s because I am a former hard-core conservative and have self corrected and feel like others should do the exact same, or what, but it’s certainly a weakness of mine. It’s not even that I think that I am morally or ethically superior or anything like that – I absolutely do not think that – it’s more so that in some weird twisted way I feel like I can force people to be introspective, which is obviously naïve at best and maybe even arrogant at worst.
 
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