Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

Considering anyone can walk into virtually any building on any public university or college campus during regular business hours, no, it’s highly unlikely he had or needed any help accessing the rooftop.
 
altmin said:
11:52 am subject arrived on campus
went through the building up the stairways to the roof
after the shooting went to another part of the building, jumped off the roof, walked off campus into a neighborhood.
they have good video footage of the shooter via doorbell and security cams. they are not releasing the image now
they are confident in their abilities to identify and track the shooter
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This is good news. I hope the catch the fucker alive.
 
UNCatTech said:
I've read 2 football fields in multiple articles. Either way, I would be willing to bet money that most of the people talking about this couldn't hit a target from 400 ft. Especially with the additional variables in this situation.
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I'm not debating that larger point. I sure as heck couldn't hit anything from 400 feet. Again, I don't think anyone's point is to suggest that making this shot was "easy" or didn't require firearms training. Simply that it did not require some sort of professional organization to pull off.
 
UNCatTech said:
Ok.

On this point I disagree with what I'm reading. How many here think they could hit a human target from 700+ ft in a controlled environment such as a range?

The imagine the other variables associated.

Maybe it helps to figure out who might have done it, I'm not sure, but it is interesting how many think this was an easy shot all variables considered.
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We’re kinda repeating the conversation, but my take is that with a modern weapon, including a high-quality scope, that at ~200 yards it’s not a shot that a novice would likely make but also not one that requires specialized training, either. In the kind of environment where Kirk was shot - fairly open area with no major barriers between the shooter and the target, an elevated position from which to shoot, a target that is sitting in one spot and not making major movements - it’s a shot that someone with relatively normal but thorough experience (like hunting) would have a reasonable chance to make.

To be clear, I’m not saying your average Joe could hit such a shot the majority of the time. (I’ve some experience with guns and hunting, but I doubt I’d make such a shot.) But I also don’t think it’d take particularly specialized training to make that shot, either.
 
nycfan said:
I have thought (but did not want to say out loud immediately after the seeing the shooting videos) that we are weirdly fortunate that this was a very targeted attack and not a mass shooting. There were a lot of people in a small area and obviously the shooter had a good line of site if he wanted to carry out a mass shooting event instead.

Which is not meant to diminish the assassination of Kirk standing on its own as a vile act. Just in the era of mass shootings this could have been even worse and as sad as I am for Kirk’s family (and for the negative impact on the social fabric of this nation), I’m glad it wasn’t a Vegas type of mass shooting.
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I think bolt action rifle vs an AR-15 helped in that capacity. The Trump attempt had several other people hit and the one man killed because it was more of a spray and pray situation. This was a weapon for this job it seems.
 
rodoheel said:
I'm not debating that larger point. I sure as heck couldn't hit anything from 400 feet. Again, I don't think anyone's point is to suggest that making this shot was "easy" or didn't require firearms training. Simply that it did not require some sort of professional organization to pull off.
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I agree, but I've also read "Novice" multiple times.

I really don't see it as relevant other than to narrow subjects as Snoop mentioned.

I wasn't trying to by hyperbolic, I had read two football fields several times.

Also, as I mentioned, I've not read every post on this thread. It seems that maybe I missed the bigger point.
 
altmin said:
I think bolt action rifle vs an AR-15 helped in that capacity. The Trump attempt had several other people hit and the one man killed because it was more of a spray and pray situation. This was a weapon for this job it seems.
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Yeah, the rifle also suggests the intent of a specific target and not a mass murder event.
 
UNCatTech said:
I've read 2 football fields several times. Either way, I would be willing to bet money that most of the people talking about this couldn't hit a target from 400 ft. Especially with the additional variables in this situation.
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Distances to various points on the roof. (not counting height - I don't have that info and I really don't feel like googling that right now and be seen as a copycat)

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UNCBAdookJD said:
Not necessarily a super operative, just someone who generally knows what they’re doing. Being current or former military/law enforcement/hunter, doesn’t mean it’s Chris Kyle or Bryan Mills (Liam Neeson from Taken). It just means it’s somebody more put together than the whack jobs that normally do these things.
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Or someone who knew the area, put together a decent plan, and got a bit lucky.

I think we often underestimate the amount of panic and chaos that happen in these kinds of events and overstate the skill of law enforcement to react immediately after such an event to identify & capture the shooter, particularly if local LEOs are the highest level law enforcement folks on the scene.

When we look at the 2 men who tried to assassinate Trump last year, neither were particularly skilled or even stable folks and both got fairly close to pulling it off, especially Thomas Crooks, despite the fact the Secret Service was involved in setting up & carrying out security in both cases. When threats can come from a thousand places and with modern weapons, folks wanting to carry out such shootings always have a decent chance of success.
 
Ramrouser said:
Do you think he had assistance from someone at the University? I assume he would need access to the building to access the roof.
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It’s possible. He also just may have been someone with access such as a student or university employee. Could also just be really lax security with a very public event going on. When I was at UNC I attended a similar event with Anne Coulter, and nothing would have prevented this from happening there had someone been motivated to do so.
 
SnoopRob said:
Or someone who knew the area, put together a decent plan, and got a bit lucky.

I think we often underestimate the amount of panic and chaos that happen in these kinds of events and overstate the skill of law enforcement to react immediately after such an event to identify & capture the shooter, particularly if local LEOs are the highest level law enforcement folks on the scene.

When we look at the 2 men who tried to assassinate Trump last year, neither were particularly skilled or even stable folks and both got fairly close to pulling it off, especially Thomas Crooks, despite the fact the Secret Service was involved in setting up & carrying out security in both cases. When threats can come from a thousand places and with modern weapons, folks wanting to carry out such shootings always have a decent chance of success.
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There were 6 police present and Kirk's private security. I doubt kirk or the local police or any of these people have the resources to secure all the buildings they would need to. Looking on Google maps there are at least 6 rooftops that would have to be patrolled to prevent this. You can either spend a small fortune every time some speaking event like this takes place, or you move inside, or you take the risk that comes with the things you say.

At this point if you want to be a hate monger, I suggest don't do it outdoors, because I doubt there will be gun control measures in place to help you out.
 
p5mmr9 said:
Huh? What does the platform have to do with responsibility? It absolutely is irresponsible to discuss motive when we have no idea even who a suspect is in this murder. It's irresponsible to discuss motive whether you are a major politician, media figure, or an idiot sitting on your sofa posting on your phone. There is no difference. We know nothing about the perpetrator. Assigning motive in that situation is ridiculous. "Anonymously" posting online does not leave you without responsibility.
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I specifically was listing things that i felt fall outside of the core liberal vs conservative reasons because maga is labeling this as the "radical left".

It's not like i was listing ALL potential reasons - heck it could be a domestic issue involving some jealous person in his personal orbit - we have NO idea.

But is it really that big of a problem to counter the argument that this had to be a "radical lefty" by listing bosides reasons that were hot-button divisive topics Kirk pushed?
 
I have seen it said he was wearing a vest..Since when has a vest been able to stop a high powered rifle…That bullet is going thru that vest unless he had a steel plate…
 
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