Charlie Kirk shot and killed at Utah rally.

theel4life said:
Do you guys think it’s possible Tyler Robinson was using this guy to try and set him up for the shooting of Charlie Kirk? I mean he sent him the messages ti go and pick the gun up and left unused casings in the gun with the messages on them.
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IIRC (and I might not be) I think those messages were after the shooting.
 
nycfan said:
You DEFINITELY misunderstood that. I posted this once already, followed by examples of Musk’s flame throwing, but the musk post about legal fees has nothing to do with the CK murder — it was an old post when Musk was offering protections to encourage right wingers to return to Twitter, used ironically while Musk is being a cheerleader for hunting down anyone critical of Kirk and trying to cost them their jobs or worse.
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lol, yes I misinterpreted that. I thought he was taking a principled stand on FS in spite of his connection to CK
 
Long post - fell down a rabbit hole ...

The Daily Mail (skepticism noted, and you can google the article if you like), has what appears to be a pretty well researched article linking alleged online handles of the killer and roommate to niche communities. Appears the killer was clearly deep into the toxic gaming world, and had recently been active in a furry forum with a sexualization bent. We also know the killer was steeped in Groyper lingo and memes.

The roommate appears to have been active in r/trans, while also subscribing to (via my lookup) Anarcho_Capitalism, 4chan, JordanPeterson, and a host of video game, anime, meme, cryptid forums. This roommate's apparent reddit handle was involved in an Anarcho_Capitalism thread during which the roommate's alleged handle responded "i like how you worded this" to the following framing of "the left":
  • When they (referring to "the left") are showing a man, balls out, in demon make up, reading to kids, they are not representing that community well (re: trans). I'm not talking about the confused 13 year old kid who just wanted to feel normal. They go find the worst of society to hold up just to "own the right"
Mind you, the thread they were commenting on was titled "The left deliberately makes transpeople look bad", following by the parent comment below:
  • This is a hypothesis I've had I'm pretty confident in. Nonsense like the bathroom debate, transpeople in sports and all the drag pushing (this last thing really has nothing to do with transpeople but can still be used to confuse normies) and in general all the screaming trans folks you see put on TV or in protests and rallies. It's all stuff that conveniently creates a divide to force transpeople to the left against the right which gets radicalized to hate them. It all seems orchestrated to create an oppressed minority to help maintain the left's power while also empowering the right to maintain the binary.
It seems online GamerGate like swamps have extremely odd bedfellows, with lots of sniping back and forth between the ideologies, in something more akin to edgy anarchy.

Lastly, I spent about 20 min reading posts by the roommate's alleged handle, and came across this one on the JordanPeterson sub, which feels particularly salient. In response to a question about avoiding "perilous pitfalls, such as ideological entanglements, when even individuals with higher moral and intellectual caliber have fallen into them?", the alleged roommate allegedly says:
  • Honestly I think everyone is going to land in these pitfalls, it's part of being human. Doing your best to recognize and remedy that is all you can do. Keep your strongest truths close to heart and don't be easily swayed in any direction without a strong and well put together reason. Even then you'll something realize the environment, friends, or communities you choose to spend time with aren't helping you grow or progress, or may otherwise be pushing towards an echo chamber. Being able to take a step away and reprioritize is the best you can do. If you aren't ever in a situation you didn't want to be in, chances are you never go out and meet people in general. Remember that just discussing a topic doesn't mean falling into an ideological pitfall. Keep your statements and opinions in line with each other, and make your own opinions base on factual evidence you have seen or read. I think the largest pitfall anyone could fall into would be to simply take to heart the opinions they see on social media. If you don't choose a side, a side will many times choose you. Keep yourself grounded mentally and emotionally, and don't worry yourself about being infallible.
My guess, the killer and the alleged roommate are a couple of intelligent young men who fell into the oddities of niche and often dark online gaming culture. It appears plausible the killer is both a Groyper, has a furry fetish and/or attraction, and has a friend/roommate/sexual partner with furry/trans/anarchocapitalist identities.

I suspect this is a strange estuary few of us have encountered, until now.
 
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lawtig02 said:
Democratic leaders do sometimes say things that are irresponsible. I don’t deny that. But it’s absurd to lump the two groups together. The irresponsibility from Trump and his team is an existential threat to our nation. The irresponsibility from the Dem leadership would struggle to crack the top 100 threats to our nation.
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Completely disagree. The right has been more vocal (trump in particular) since the shooting. But sine trump 1.0 the left’s rhetoric has been just as destructive. Im not going to search and post the comments from Biden, Harris, pelosi, waltz, waters, a OC, Crockett, dnc chairpersons, etc. because 1) you don’t care, and 2) if you do you can find them. keeping score isn’t my point, which is that it is ALL a threat. To try and score it as to which side is worse is in some manner accepting of some of it. You either are against it all or you accept it. There is no in between.
Misusing labels such as racist, fascist, etc is also a form of violent rhetoric because it fuels violence and creates division. Calling people nazis and hitler is done for shock value and to instill hatred. So no, it isn’t a right thing. It’s an American political environment thing. If you don’t want to perpetuate it then quit using those terms and find more intelligent ways to communicate your thoughts. This is a topic that we should all be able to agree on and one that isn’t subject to “team” pettiness.
 
1moretimeagain said:
That’s people ironically posting a screenshot of an old Musk tweet directed at right wing people who lost their job due to social media activity. Musk has posted nothing to oppose the widespread doxxing and contacting employers that’s going on now, even though doxxing is against X’s TOS.

What you’re citing as evidence of Musk’s commitment to free speech is actually a demonstration of his hypocrisy on the matter. It was always was BS.

Here’s what he is actually promoting

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“Cancel culture is ok as long as we’re the ones wearing the hall monitor sash.”
 
farce© said:
I will repost my thoughts on the Utah governor’s performance from the other thread….

I thought it was very strange that the governor was the primary speaker at all of those press conferences. Typically a governor (or mayor, or President, or whatever senior executive is present) will offer their concerns and condolences and turn the podium over to the police chief (or fire chief, or FBI AIC, or FEMA official, etc) to discuss details and progress of an investigation.

I felt the governor being the primary spokesperson from the first press conference indicated an immediate political weaponization of this event from the get-go. That feeling was reinforced by the governor’s “analysis” of selected bits of alleged evidence. I was shocked when some people were saying how Utah’s governor acquitted himself well during this “crisis” simply because he wasn’t as crass as Donald Trump, while being every bit as partisan as Trump.
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I will also add that im fully aware that the right is trying desperately to tie the shooter to anything at all to the left so it can “justify” its rhetoric and somehow paint the left as evil. I condemn it all because it’s done out of a desire to play politics and not identify a root cause for why he did what he did. I don’t give two fucks if he is trans, gay, radicalized right wing or radicalized left wing. I only care about what led him to the point it did and whether anything can be done to prevent the next one from happening. The “war” should be on “radicalization” and its causes, not on political parties.
 
Callatoroy said:
Completely disagree. The right has been more vocal (trump in particular) since the shooting. But sine trump 1.0 the left’s rhetoric has been just as destructive. Im not going to search and post the comments from Biden, Harris, pelosi, waltz, waters, a OC, Crockett, dnc chairpersons, etc. because 1) you don’t care, and 2) if you do you can find them. keeping score isn’t my point, which is that it is ALL a threat. To try and score it as to which side is worse is in some manner accepting of some of it. You either are against it all or you accept it. There is no in between.
Misusing labels such as racist, fascist, etc is also a form of violent rhetoric because it fuels violence and creates division. Calling people nazis and hitler is done for shock value and to instill hatred. So no, it isn’t a right thing. It’s an American political environment thing. If you don’t want to perpetuate it then quit using those terms and find more intelligent ways to communicate your thoughts. This is a topic that we should all be able to agree on and one that isn’t subject to “team” pettiness.
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The only speech from a Dem leader that could even plausibly be compared to the CONSTANT stream of rhetoric from Trump and his administration is Biden’s Soul of the Nation speech in Philadelphia in 2022. He did use very strong language in that speech. He also, though, said (1) violence is never an appropriate response to political disagreement, and (2) there are many reasonable Republicans outside of MAGA that care deeply about the future of the country.

The problem is that Trump and MAGA took that speech and said, “Oh buddy, you haven’t seen ANYTHING yet!”
 
theel4life said:
Tyler Robinson is clearly in the Groyper community. Also he appears into the furry stuff. Odd fellow.
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Assuming those details are true, which it's starting to appear likely, it's not particularly odd, just not well known. The furries have had a many years battle against neo-nazis in their communities.
 
Healing said:
Assuming those details are true, which it's starting to appear likely, it's not particularly odd, just not well known. The furries have had a many years battle against neo-nazis in their communities.
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I think a lot of these white supremacy dudes like Nick Fuentes are secretly gay too. Certainly incels.
 
Callatoroy said:
Mike Johnson might publicly say nice things and kiss the ring but it’s done while holding his nose and as soon as trump becomes a lame duck his attitude will change and the idiots like mtg and LB will be marginalized
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I'll believe that when I see it. But, even if true, Mike Johnson doesn't impress me. He doesn't seem to be able to understand that his choices in life are not right for everyone.

Should an atheist lesbian be pushed into a life like Johnson?

I'm sure all the men who have to now enter their license to view porn love mike johnson.

I, as a non-believer don't want laws that basically enforce religious doctrine.

I'm not against religion, but it needs to be personal.
 
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