College Basketball 2025-26 Season Thread - Kansas State fires Tang

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aGDevil2k said:
I disagree he underutilized his personnel.
We fucked up down the stretch against Houston. Otherwise it was a really damn good season. Chokes happen.
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I was just responding to the idea that he is now forced to use "bench players" from last year. The point is that those bench players were all top 10 or top 20 recruits who sat in preference to other top 10 or top 20 recruits. They are not scrubs.
 
superrific said:
Just because he underutilized his personnel last season doesn't mean he is bereft of talent. Isiaah Evans was a top 10 recruit. Caleb Foster was #12 according to Google. Ngonba was a top 20 recruit.

You are in reality distortion that would impress MAGAs if you really think Duke doesn't have a massive talent advantage over pretty much everyone.
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A lot of folks realize that dook has one of the top-2/3 talented rosters in the country this year and last (albeit typically not the most experienced talent).

The operative question, though, is how dook is getting that talent. If their NIL budget isn't substantially higher than anyone else's (which has not been shown), then that means they are simply better at acquiring talent than 99% of teams in CBB. That's a skill by them and a compliment, not a detriment and an insult.
 
superrific said:
I was just responding to the idea that he is now forced to use "bench players" from last year. The point is that those bench players were all top 10 or top 20 recruits who sat in preference to other top 10 or top 20 recruits. They are not scrubs.
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You just took it in a way that wasn’t intended.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Serious question...what is coaching responsible for in a program to you? If neither Scheyer nor Hubert get credit nor blame for their talent and rosters and the teams would be the same if the coaches were swapped, what is it that you view as being related to the ability of the head coach?
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If you're not factoring in the talent gap you're being disingenuous.

dook should be outperforming everyone. Has scheyer ever coached a team without the most NBA talent on it?

Maybe he's a great coach but it's really hard to hand that to him when he starts every game with the better team.
 
wmheel1287 said:
By the way, some of y'all are dicks for no reason to the Duke fans on the board. I haven't seen a single Duke fan ever get out of line or rag on Carolina. I get that it is a board born of UNC fans but that doesnt mean we have to be insufferable cocksuckers to people who engage in well meaning discussion.
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It’s so unnecessary and obnoxious, but not very surprising considering the poster.
 
Bigs23 said:
If you're not factoring in the talent gap you're being disingenuous.

dook should be outperforming everyone. Has scheyer ever coached a team without the most NBA talent on it?

Maybe he's a great coach but it's really hard to hand that to him when he starts every game with the better team.
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How much more do you think dook is spending on NIL than Carolina to build their respective rosters?

And if your answer is that you don't know, then feel free to take your best guess and note that it's your best guess plus why you believe it to be true.
 
Peppers49 said:
It’s so unnecessary and obnoxious, but not very surprising considering the poster.
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Oh please. Pot meet kettle.

Nobody got personal here, something you do all the time.

The dookie love going on here is a bit overdone. I think it's mostly coming from the anti-Hubert folks as another way to denigrate the UNC guy.
 
SnoopRob said:
How much more do you think dook is spending on NIL than Carolina to build their respective rosters?

And if your answer is that you don't know, then feel free to take your best guess and note that it's your best guess plus why you believe it to be true.
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I have no idea but either way they have been accumulating way more talent than anyone else for Scheyer's entire tenure. I'm not willing to give him a lot of credit for that.
 
Bigs23 said:
I have no idea but either way they have been accumulating way more talent than anyone else for Scheyer's entire tenure. I'm not willing to give him a lot of credit for that.
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You don't think "accumulating talent" isn't an important - possibly the most important - part of running a CBB program?

Dear lort, you'll do anything to make any excuse for anything that could make HD look bad.
 
Where are people being mean to the Duke fans on here? I must have missed it.

Again, Hubert is 5-6 against K and Scheyer with inferior talent. Clearly he is a better coach.
 
SnoopRob said:
You don't think "accumulating talent" isn't an important - possibly the most important - part of running a CBB program?

Dear lort, you'll do anything to make any excuse for anything that could make HD look bad.
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Are we talking about schyer or about dook?

Yes, it's a huge advantage. They've mastered getting players there. I just don't think it has that much to do with Scheyerface.

How much better do you think UNC would be with JS instead of Hubert?
 
heel79 said:
Where are people being mean to the Duke fans on here? I must have missed it.

Again, Hubert is 5-6 against K and Scheyer with inferior talent. Clearly he is a better coach.
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I get derided for supporting Hubert. I guess it's more appropriate to pump up the dook guy.

What a strange turn this rivalry has taken.
 
Isn’t it the job of every program to accumulate talent and put the best possible product on the floor?

I think it’s important to remember that it’s not just acquiring the most talented players. It’s roster construction and how to utilize different players to their strengths. Something Scheyer has done awfully well. An example for this season is his utilization of Sarr, who’s become a defensive menace. Something he wasn’t really known for when he got to campus. The development of Nik Khamenia has also been impressive. He’s gone from unplayable to valuable role in the rotation. Duke doesn’t win last night without his contributions.

It’s an insult to both Hubert Davis and Jon Scheyer to suggest they don’t impact the results of their teams in any meaningful way.
 
Bigs23 said:
Are we talking about schyer or about dook?

Yes, it's a huge advantage. They've mastered getting players there. I just don't think it has that much to do with Scheyerface.

How much better do you think UNC would be with JS instead of Hubert?
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Dook has built an incredible recruiting machine, a significant part built once Scheyer arrived in Durham as an assistant coach (who was recognized as K's main recruiter during that period). Getting the most talent on campus is a huge part of coaching in CBB and it's a credit to dook and Scheyer that dook does so well in recruiting.

In terms of Scheyer being at Carolina, did he get to come to CH in 2013 and help build the best recruiting structure here or did he go to Durham then and was forced to leave that advantage behind when he came to CH following Roy's retirement? Because if it's the former, I think Carolina would be rolling. If not, then it's much more of a mixed bag.

I've long said that it's hard to compare HD or Scheyer to typical coaches because both took over top 3 programs and the resources and standard at both programs are far, far higher than at 97% of other places. But I will say that I've seen Scheyer seemingly work to address his coaching issues and improve at a fairly impressive rate, better than what I've seen from HD, who has improved, albeit at a slower rate.
 
Bigs23 said:
I get derided for supporting Hubert. I guess it's more appropriate to pump up the dook guy.

What a strange turn this rivalry has taken.
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You get derided because you routinely ignore plain and obvious facts and make a clown of yourself in doing so.

But it's not limited to just HD, you've done the same thing with LeBron James for well over a decade now.
 
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