College Basketball 2025-26 Season Thread - Kansas State fires Tang

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Bigs23 said:
I agree that's how it used to be but I don't think that's the way it's been since the change.

It's more about the $ and perks now.

Maybe UNC can close the gap now that they've engaged.
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So do you think schools overall should just divest from hiring expensive coaches and install placeholders? Do coaches make any difference at all in the construction of their own rosters?
 
Centerpiece said:
I've never said a disparaging word to our dark shade of blue folks on this board... Not on a personal level anyway. I've always engaged with them civilly, most especially in terms of politics. Heck, I have more in common with most of those than I do with some of these so-called Tar Heel fans. I have several so-called Tar Heel fans on super ignore. I don't think I have any d00k fans on ignore. I don't dislike them, personally. As a matter of fact, I have "liked" them and "liked" their comments on this board continually.

Now, have I cast aspersions on their basketball team and coaches? Probably. Do I think they've been buying players and hooking up players' families with sweetheart deals on houses and employment? Yes. Do I think they've always gotten the top class of HS players year after year since about 2012? Yes. Do I think it takes much of a coach to stay out of the way of those top level players and let them win games with their talent and skills? No. Have I always had a dislike for K as a coach and Scheyer as a player? Yes.

But it wasn't always that way with me and d00k. I actually rooted for them against Kentucky in 1978. Tinkerbell Banks Spanarkel and Giminski. I disliked State back then more-so than d00k.

But I always had a dislike for Bobby Knight, and when K came on board and I found out he was a Knight disciple... that was it. That's all I needed to have an immediate dislike, distrust, and detestable feeling toward K. And then of course the long-standing hatred of d00k from way back in the 40's 50's and 60's - which all Tar Heel fans need to recognize - helped me remember that d00k, as well as State, will always and forever be on my shit list.

And then K got the Olympic job and wouldn't relinquish in like forever. He unabashedly used that connection to coerce NBA level talent to d00k... but who could blame him? It was a natural occurrence and to be expected. But I didn't have to like the fact he gamed the system in that manner. And when K went the way of Calishady and started buying all the one and done players without any hint of trying to get them an education, but was simply using them - and allowing them to use d00k basketball as a spring board to the NBA - it was all too clear to me what was going on in Durham. Even some d00k fans themselves started to sour on the fact that d00k was nothing but a one and done factory and that they were no more legit than UK and Calishady in terms of integrity or an institution of higher education.

Fast forward to IC and all that B.S. - yes, it was super nice of the Devil's Den folk to welcome some of us over there to discuss politics - and only politics. (They drew the line in the sand sharp and clear in terms of any discussion of basketball or other sports related topics while we were there.) Which, as it turns out, we weren't there but just for a minute for a cuppa coffee because Rock quickly developed this killer site.

But at the end of the day... nothing personal d00kies... it's just basketball... we will always have our disdain for all things trump and maga.
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Like @Centerpiece It is Kyltpxlski that’s long been my problem - growing up Duke wasn’t much of a consideration - state college was. I only knew one dook fan other than whoever was the local Methodist preacher.

Way back I suspect that I probably was a fan of a few of Bill Foster’s players.

I taught at Duke 1999-2001 PostDoc and enjoyed my students a great deal. Liked plenty of them. Learned a good deal about the school while there too. I used the library there throughout my grad school years and took classes with other grad students there as Latin American History/Studies did that kind of thing. I’ve got good and bad stories about those times but the overall experience was positive and fruitful.

But ultimately it is this that I won’t ever get past.


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SnoopRob said:
You certainly ignore facts or handwave away their importance on a regular basis.

For instance, on this very thread, you've yet to address the fact that Scheyer helped build the recruiting structure that has assisted him as HC while claiming that dook's recruiting advantage is the difference between HD and Scheyer.

That's why it's hard to take you seriously in these kinds of discussions.
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Again, I'm not convinced this is a scheyer thing more than a dook thing. I thing he's proven to be competent and smart enough to keep the train on the track I'm just not sure it's him. dook was doing pretty well pre JS.
 
wmheel1287 said:
So do you think schools overall should just divest from hiring expensive coaches and install placeholders? Do coaches make any difference at all in the construction of their own rosters?
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Great question.

If you can get a coach in place that achieves to the level of investment then yes you pay to keep them. I don't think it's easy to know who those coaches will be while also placing a value of getting someone you feel good about representing the university.

Coaching does matter but the players matter a lot more. But yes some coaches are difference makers but there aren't that many of them.
 
Calheel said:
It is Hubert’s job to get talent. Talent wants to be coached. If the talent isn’t coming here, it is because the talent doesn’t think it will get the proper coaching.
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I don't know that Hubert is even completely in charge of getting the talent now. It seems like more of a boardroom process. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
 
Bigs23 said:
Again, I'm not convinced this is a scheyer thing more than a dook thing. I thing he's proven to be competent and smart enough to keep the train on the track I'm just not sure it's him. dook was doing pretty well pre JS.
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Pre-Scheyer, you mean pre-2022 or pre-2013?

Because pre-2013 UNC and UK were largely eating their lunch and it was Scheyer who helped build the recruiting structure that got them the top recruits again.

UNC and dook are both absolutely top tier programs that sell themselves, but it's pretty clear that over the last few years dook is consistently doing better than Carolina.
 
College GMs don’t operate like pro GMs. Jim Tanner helps with back channeling and negotiating with potential recruits and transfers, but the coaching staff is still identifying and closing those players, and is ultimately responsible for the personnel.
 
Does it matter that dook hired Rachel Baker as their basketball GM? Before joining Duke, she spent eight years at Nike, where she worked on Kevin Durant’s brand, Elite Youth Basketball, and NBA/WNBA integrations.

Would her connections with agents through her work at Nike be an advantage. Will Jim Tanner help close that gap?
 
"If the talent isn’t coming here, it is because the talent doesn’t think it will get the proper coaching."

Pure conjecture. That's not facts. It's your opinion. Next you say something like Lubin is getting superior "coaching" at State. Or Cadeau at Michigan or Nickel or Love, or yada yada.

When did you coach? What sport?
 
Calheel said:
The facts are in. We do not have Carolina level talent on our roster, save two positions.
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You stated "If the talent isn’t coming here, it is because the talent doesn’t think it will get the proper coaching" with absolutely no evidence. That's not a fact. You know better.
 
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I'm not saying Ohio State is going to win, but they're winning AT Michigan State with less than 12 minutes to go. Without two of their starters.
 
BillOfRights said:
You stated "If the talent isn’t coming here, it is because the talent doesn’t think it will get the proper coaching." with absolutely no evidence.
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Rell has stated, several times, that the belief among players and their agents is that HD and/or his staff do not prepare kids for the next level as well as other coaches. Is that a true statement, opinions vary. But, the veracity of the statement doesn't matter, it's the perception and perception matters.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Rell has stated, several times, that the belief among players and their agents is that HD and/or his staff do not prepare kids for the next level as well as other coaches. Is that a true statement, opinions vary. But, the veracity of the statement doesn't matter, it's the perception and perception matters.
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Thanks for that. That's one piece of evidence. Not a preponderance. Not beyond a reasonable doubt, but it's more than Cal offered.
 
At the end of the day, since HD took over, UNC hasn't performed at the level of Duke, not even close. But, setting Duke aside, UNC hasn't performed at the level of many other schools either, many of which don't have close to the financial investment, support, facilities, etc. as HD does. Is it that everyone else just has all of these unknown billionaires pumping money into recruits bank accounts and we don't? What is the reason for us to be the 21st ranked program in the country since HD took over?
 
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