College Basketball 2025-26 Season Thread - Kansas State fires Tang

[Calheel]

You stated "If the talent isn’t coming here, it is because the talent doesn’t think it will get the proper coaching" with absolutely no evidence. That's not a fact. You know better.

There has been plenty of evidence of that fact. Multiple knowledgeable college basketball people have stated that Hubert does not have a good rep with talent, agents, and coaches.

He is a nice guy. He knows basketball. But his rep for handling elite talent is not good with the people that funnel that talent.

Now, reputations are not set in stone. Things could change. But I’m not just fabricating this.

 

[BillOfRights]

There has been plenty of evidence of that fact. Multiple knowledgeable college basketball people have stated that Hubert does not have a good rep with talent, agents, and coaches.

He is a nice guy. He knows basketball. But his rep for handling elite talent is not good with the people that funnel that talent.

Now, reputations are not set in stone. Things could change. But I’m not just fabricating this.

Sherrell McMillan and who?

ETA: There is a thread to discuss Coach Davis. Why does every thread turn into a thread bashing Coach Davis? It's almost like it's the highest priority for some people.

 

[Heelsandeers]

At the end of the day, since HD took over, UNC hasn't performed at the level of Duke, not even close. But, setting Duke aside, UNC hasn't performed at the level of many other schools either, many of which don't have close to the financial investment, support, facilities, etc. as HD does. Is it that everyone else just has all of these unknown billionaires pumping money into recruits bank accounts and we don't? What is the reason for us to be the 21st ranked program in the country since HD took over?

Houston, Duke, Purdue, UConn, Arizona, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, and Iowa St

That is the entire listing of power conference schools that have won at a higher rate than Hubert has

Is 10 schools considered “many”? Most of those are in a similar tier of financial commitment

 

[Bigs23]

Sherrell McMillan and who?

ETA: There is a thread to discuss Coach Davis. Why does every thread turn into a thread bashing Coach Davis? It's almost like it's the highest priority for some people.

All of sudden they love dook and hate Hubert

The terrorists have won.

 

[Bigs23]

I'm not saying Ohio State is going to win, but they're winning AT Michigan State with less than 12 minutes to go. Without two of their starters.

You jinxed it.

 

[Calheel]

Sherrell McMillan and who?

ETA: There is a thread to discuss Coach Davis. Why does every thread turn into a thread bashing Coach Davis? It's almost like it's the highest priority for some people.

Like half of college basketball insiders? It is not a well kept secret that most of the college basketball world thinks we have the wrong guy in the job and is hoping we keep him for as long as possible. Ask our resident fans of other schools if they would be happy or sad if Hubert were fired?

And I am not a Hubert hater. I love the guy and I have repeatedly said that it is too early to judge whether it’s time for him to go. I personally think there is still a window for him to turn it around.

Honestly, it is the Hubert defenders who constantly derail every thread into an us vs. them shitshow. It is tiring.

 

[Bigs23]

Like half of college basketball insiders? It is not a well kept secret that most of the college basketball world thinks we have the wrong guy in the job and is hoping we keep him for as long as possible. Ask our resident fans of other schools if they would be happy or sad if Hubert were fired?

And I am not a Hubert hater. I love the guy and I have repeatedly said that it is too early to judge whether it’s time for him to go. I personally think there is still a window for him to turn it around.

Honestly, it is the Hubert defenders who constantly derail every thread into an us vs. them shitshow. It is tiring.

You don't think you contribute to that?

 

[wmheel1287]

Sherrell McMillan and who?

ETA: There is a thread to discuss Coach Davis. Why does every thread turn into a thread bashing Coach Davis? It's almost like it's the highest priority for some people.

You have that diagnosis exactly backwards in this thread. Many of us have gone to great lengths in this thread to avoid criticism of Coach Davis in any way but there are a couple of posters who absolutely insist on seeing any discussion of any coach in college basketball as an indictment of Coach Davis and then turning the thread into that.

 

[Bigs23]

You have that diagnosis exactly backwards in this thread. Many of us have gone to great lengths in this thread to avoid criticism of Coach Davis in any way but there are a couple of posters who absolutely insist on seeing any discussion of any coach in college basketball as an indictment of Coach Davis and then turning the thread into that.

The Scheyer love fest is a bit much and you know good and well the praise of the dook coach was a not so subtle shot at Hubert.

 

[wmheel1287]

The Scheyer love fest is a bit much and you know good and well the praise of the dook coach was a not so subtle shot at Hubert.

I know that not a single thing I have said on this thread has been a shot at Hubert. I think Scheyer got an awfully big win yesterday and he's going to have the #1 overall seed in the tournament. I don't know that stating that is praise. Seems to me to just be stating the obvious.

 

[Bigs23]

I know that not a single thing I have said on this thread has been a shot at Hubert. I think Scheyer got an awfully big win yesterday and he's going to have the #1 overall seed in the tournament. I don't know that stating that is praise. Seems to me to just be stating the obvious.

I wasn't referring to you.

 

[heelinhell]

You have that diagnosis exactly backwards in this thread. Many of us have gone to great lengths in this thread to avoid criticism of Coach Davis in any way but there are a couple of posters who absolutely insist on seeing any discussion of any coach in college basketball as an indictment of Coach Davis and then turning the thread into that.

Being an old codger, I find the criticism of and call for Coach Davis to be fired amusing. The team is 21-6. We have only 3 very talented players paired with a rag tag group that would not see the light of day on a top 15 team. We are 21-6 with our best player Caleb injured and Henri rejoining the team yesterday.

With a healthy Caleb,I would like our chances to beat Louisville ,Clemson, and VT at home. Beating dook** in cameron would be tough.

24-7 we fire Coach Davis with a healthy Caleb ?

22-9 we fire Davis without Caleb ?

For the record I was a big Wes Miller supporter to replace Roy, but give Coach Davis a f*cking break

 

[C-Money]

Being an old codger, I find the criticism of and call for Coach Davis to be fired amusing. The team is 21-6. We have only 3 very talented players paired with a rag tag group that would not see the light of day on a top 15 team. We are 21-6 with our best player Caleb injured and Henri rejoining the team yesterday.

With a healthy Caleb,I would like our chances to beat Louisville ,Clemson, and VT at home. Beating dook** in cameron would be tough.

24-7 we fire Coach Davis with a healthy Caleb ?

22-9 we fire Davis without Caleb ?

For the record I was a big Wes Miller supporter to replace Roy, but give Coach Davis a f*cking break

Again, it isn't about just this season. It's about the lack of consistency overall since he has been coach that have people wanting to move on if this ends up being another "okay" season.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Houston, Duke, Purdue, UConn, Arizona, Kansas, Tennessee, Auburn, Alabama, and Iowa St

That is the entire listing of power conference schools that have won at a higher rate than Hubert has

Is 10 schools considered “many”? Most of those are in a similar tier of financial commitment

Not all schedules are the same, nor all games. That is why looking at the metrics is a much better way to go about it. UNC's T-Rank is 21st over the time period when HD took over.

My question is, why is that the case, in your opinion? Second question, is that good enough, in your opinion?

 

[stankeylegjones]

Sherrell McMillan and who?

ETA: There is a thread to discuss Coach Davis. Why does every thread turn into a thread bashing Coach Davis? It's almost like it's the highest priority for some people.

According to cjones, it is a common belief.

Edit: I should also say, I seriously doubt Rell would be forthcoming with something like this if he'd only heard from a few sources.

 

[wmheel1287]

Being an old codger, I find the criticism of and call for Coach Davis to be fired amusing. The team is 21-6. We have only 3 very talented players paired with a rag tag group that would not see the light of day on a top 15 team. We are 21-6 with our best player Caleb injured and Henri rejoining the team yesterday.

With a healthy Caleb,I would like our chances to beat Louisville ,Clemson, and VT at home. Beating dook** in cameron would be tough.

24-7 we fire Coach Davis with a healthy Caleb ?

22-9 we fire Davis without Caleb ?

For the record I was a big Wes Miller supporter to replace Roy, but give Coach Davis a f*cking break

I dont know why you're quoting me with this. I have once in my life said I would fire HD and that was during the California trip which was and still is unacceptable. Since then, I have said he would not be and should not be fired.

To be clear, I have never insulted him or demeaned him once.

 

[bridgetender]

This is a completely different era though.

Do you think players are going to dook because of Scheyer? I'm skeptical.

And yes talent acquisition is the most important factor and dook is winning that by a mile. Maybe UNC can catch up to that, until they do they will be at a disadvantage regardless of who the coach is.

I believe that Coach K coaching the Olympics completely changed the narrative about Duke and high level recruits. Once LeBron, Kobe, KD publicly praised K, they started getting top end talent more consistently. When some of those players started becoming bigger NBA names, the recruiting became self-sustaining, in my opinion.


Maybe the running theory by some UNC fans that it's a nefarious result of dark money unrivaled by any other school in the nation is actually the reality, but that seems less likely, in my uninformed opinion. I believe I read that Kentucky spent 20 million in NIL this year, so even if Duke has bigger bags then everybody else, they clearly have better talent evaluation, as shown by the Cedric Cowhert commitment.

 

[finesse]

Again, it isn't about just this season. It's about the lack of consistency overall since he has been coach that have people wanting to move on if this ends up being another "okay" season.

The problem I have with your school of thought is not that you're completely off base but you're ignoring that we had one player who had ever played in the Duke-UNC game and Davis and his staff has put together a team that, barring injuries( including Seth's early one) would be a top 10 team, promises to have a larger base to build on for last year and you don't seem to even think of the possibility that this is the very progress you've been asking for. Is it? Damned if I know but for all the various reason stated, I just don't get the rush. It can happen next year or the year after if he regresses.

As Voltaire said, "Perfect is the enemy of good." I think it's too soon to chase the magic hire.

 

[heelinhell]

I dont know why you're quoting me with this. I have once in my life said I would fire HD and that was during the California trip which was and still is unacceptable. Since then, I have said he would not be and should not be fired.

To be clear, I have never insulted him or demeaned him once.

My post was not to challenge you or diss you. I thought my response was to amplify your post

 

[wmheel1287]

My post was not to challenge you or diss you. I thought my response was to amplify your post

My apologies. I thought you were saying I was in the group who supposedly wants Coach Davis fired at every turn. This entire discussion makes me irritable.