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C-Money
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Because it's a 5-7 team going to a bowl game. Just further proof the bowl games are pointless now.
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There are 3 5-7 teams in bowls this year: Rice, Mississippi State & App State.
It's just part of the process with so many bowl slots to fill and the number of teams that decline bids.
The ACC champ missed the playoffs because of the tie breaking rules. If you can't see why the ACC won't want that to happen again, I can't help you.
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To be fair, I think that’s kinda the point.
There are currently far too many bowl games. Historically, CFB hasn’t rewarded teams that finish at 6-6 or 5-7.
Pare back the amount of bowls and re-calibrate to where a winning record is a minimum requirement.
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For it to be practical to leave they'll have to find another P4 conference willing to take them on, as I don't think they can make the playoffs anymore as a true independent. And I'm not sure the Big 10 - the most likely conference - would be willing to make the concessions ND would no doubt demand, as they really don't need them, although they'd no doubt add them if they were willing to actually join as a full member. But ND is so arrogant I don't see them doing that. So yeah, they'll probably just stay in the ACC for a few more years.
ETA: ND was always going to leave the ACC within the next few years when the conference big boys depart. The absolute worst that this could mean is that ND leaves a season or two earlier than they would have otherwise and I'm a little skeptical they'll do that.
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I would be surprised if that happens beyond a few bowls, at most, as ESPN loves those games and will fight to keep them. ESPN owns/operates 16 of the bowl games in order to provide the network with more games to broadcast.
I think it would be more likely that the NCAA/conferences/bowl folks work together to penalize teams for opting out of a bowl before the number of bowl games are significantly reduced (barring significant expansion of the CFP).
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My hunch is that when the ACC sees the best teams leave, ND will either...
...be forced to join the B1G as part of the SEC/B1G breakaway effort.
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...join the Big East for all sports except football and they'll go back to being a full independent in football.
The only way I see them staying with the ACC is if only a few Southern ACC schools end up leaving and the new ACC looks a lot more like the original BE than the current BE. And even then I'm guessing ND'll want to go back to football independence unless they believe they just can't fill a 12-game schedule without some sort of agreement like they have with the ACC.
Just to be sure, you've seen that starting next year they have an agreement with the CFP that they are an autobid as long as they're in the Top 12 in the final CFP rankings? That keeps them in a position where they'll be in the hunt for a CFP birth every year provided they can win 10 games.
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No, I hadn't seen that. I will say that it's ridiculous that ND gets that kind of special treatment, which also explains why they're whining and crying so much right now - they can't believe that the great ND could possibly get left out of the playoffs over anyone else. If that's their deal then they could just go back to being independent. Either way I wouldn't care if they left the ACC tomorrow.
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There are around 40 bowl games currently.
That ESPN owns/operates only 16 of them should serve as an indication that most of them don’t garner huge profits.
If you tune into some of the first week’s bowl games, you’ll see a lot of empty seats for games between ~.500 teams. The only folks watching those games are alumni or die-hard CFB fans who’ll watch anything.
They don’t generate a lot of money for networks, nor do they generate a lot of tourist $$ for host cities.
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According to Wikipedia, there are 35 non-CFP bowls.
I agree that most of them don't make a lot of money for the bowls themselves.
I disagree that they don't make a significant amount of money for the cities that host these games. This study, now almost 10 years old, suggest that even G5 vs G5 bowl games (typically the least anticipated in general) generate an average of $12.6mil in economic impact on the host cities.
What ESPN owning/operating so many indicates isn't so much that they don't make money as bowls (which I doubt they do) but that they are hugely important to ESPN from a broadcast standpoint. We know that live sports are one of the few things that get folks to tune in and that football does better than any other sport in ratings. ESPN likely doesn't run these events for the money made by the bowl itself but to ensure that they have these bowls in their lineup during the bowl period.
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The ACC champ missed the playoffs because they weren’t good enough to be there.
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The entire structure of the sport is fucked.
Coaches should not feel forced to abandon their teams before the season is over.
These NIL deals need to have caveats for the postseason. Half the players on these teams abandon ship before any games are even played. So they’re not an accurate representation of season-long success.
The portal shouldn’t open until after the season has concluded. Why is this so hard for them to figure out?
We should contract some bowl games. There can be meaningful, tradition rich games outside of the playoff.
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That gives you twenty bowl teams and 16 playoff teams. Make the postseason exclusive again and stop watering it down with participation trophies.
Coaches should not feel forced to abandon their teams before the season is over.
These NIL deals need to have caveats for the postseason. Half the players on these teams abandon ship before any games are even played. So they’re not an accurate representation of season-long success.
The portal shouldn’t open until after the season has concluded. Why is this so hard for them to figure out?
We should contract some bowl games. There can be meaningful, tradition rich games outside of the playoff.
Rose
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Orange
Fiesta
Gator
Sun
Peach
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Cotton
Holiday
That gives you twenty bowl teams and 16 playoff teams. Make the postseason exclusive again and stop watering it down with participation trophies.
C-Money
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It's ridiculous.
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A lot of the problem for CFB isn’t that “they” can’t see there’s a problem nor that “they” can’t figure out a solution, it’s that there’s not really a “they”. The NCAA has very little authority over the bowl structure or the CFP & there are so many folks involved in the CFP/bowl system (conferences, bowl folks, CFP folks, ESPN & other tv) that there’s nothing like a central authority and most of these various actors in the process have their own priorities. The system we have now is essentially what happens when there is no central organizer to a system and things grow in a roughly haphazard way.
Similar to real estate development without zoning ordinances. It gets ugly fast and the vested powers want to keep their power.
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You're correct. My "questions" were more rhetorical than anything, and meant to illustrate exactly what you're saying here. College Football desperately needs someone to take the reins.
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