College Football Catch-All Thread

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gtyellowjacket said:
I'm sure it's not awesome for Notre Dame to miss out on the playoffs but I still don't understand why they would forgo the bowl experience for their kids and especially the extra practice time that you get with bowls. How can you go to a recruit and tell them that if they don't make the playoffs that they aren't going to play in a bowl? How can they go to their team and tell them that they don't get that bowl experience this year? Seems like they are cutting off their nose to spite the ACC's face. It could also be a way to say to the TV people that if they don't use their leverage to get Notre Dame into the playoffs in future years, you're not going to have the Notre Dame audience for your ratings.
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FSU should have declined the Orange Bowl when they didn't make the playoffs. Getting shellacked 63-3 did nothing for the program.

Same reason UNC declined the NIT after starting the season preseason No. 1.

Better to just get into portal season right away and focus on next year than play a game with a gazillion optouts that no one cares about.
 
Calheel said:
FSU should have declined the Orange Bowl when they didn't make the playoffs. Getting shellacked 63-3 did nothing for the program.

Same reason UNC declined the NIT after starting the season preseason No. 1.

Better to just get into portal season right away and focus on next year than play a game with a gazillion optouts that no one cares about.
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So shall we just do away with all non-CFP bowl games, then?
 
gtyellowjacket said:
It could also be a way to say to the TV people that if they don't use their leverage to get Notre Dame into the playoffs in future years, you're not going to have the Notre Dame audience for your ratings.
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I think this is actually the driver of their decision. The ACC bullshit is their smokescreen. I suspect ESPN understood the point.
 
Calheel said:
FSU should have declined the Orange Bowl when they didn't make the playoffs. Getting shellacked 63-3 did nothing for the program.

Same reason UNC declined the NIT after starting the season preseason No. 1.

Better to just get into portal season right away and focus on next year than play a game with a gazillion optouts that no one cares about.
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I get the NIT sort of but bowls really are a great experience for most of the kids who will not be going pro. Coaches like it because you get extra practice days for future seasons. The networks like it because even the motor city bowl is going to get higher ratings than random college or NBA basketball game. Typically admin likes it because they get a free vacation but it can stress the athletic budget, especially for a lower tier bowl with extensive travel. That would not be the case for Notre Dame or Iowa St or Kansas St but I'm sure that was a big consideration for some teams that declined lower tier bowls this year.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I get the NIT sort of but bowls really are a great experience for most of the kids who will not be going pro. Coaches like it because you get extra practice days for future seasons. The networks like it because even the motor city bowl is going to get higher ratings than random college or NBA basketball game. Typically admin likes it because they get a free vacation but it can stress the athletic budget, especially for a lower tier bowl with extensive travel. That would not be the case for Notre Dame or Iowa St or Kansas St but I'm sure that was a big consideration for some teams that declined lower tier bowls this year.
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So did the FSU players and coaches benefit from losing to Georgia 63-3 in a game in which all the good players sat and no one from FSU really wanted to be there?

Did FSU benefit from the extra bowl practices when they went 2-10 the next year?

Did the FSU fans who spent a lot of money for a place to stay in Miami on New Years' Eve enjoy the experience?

What was gained from FSU opting to play in that game?

While we are at it, what did UNC gain from playing in the Fenway Bowl last year with a team that clearly did not want to be there and an interim coach that didn't know his elbow from his rear end?
 
Calheel said:
Notre Dame's feelings are hurt and they are entitled to a couple of days to vent. But anyone with any sense realizes that:
1. the ACC is always going to lobby for its members over its nonmembers.
2. the ACC lobbying made 0.0% difference to the final decision.
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With 2, are you suggesting that Jim Phillips has absolutely no pull with the CFP Committee?

How dare you!?
 
Calheel said:
So did the FSU players and coaches benefit from losing to Georgia 63-3 in a game in which all the good players sat and no one from FSU really wanted to be there?

Did FSU benefit from the extra bowl practices when they went 2-10 the next year?

Did the FSU fans who spent a lot of money for a place to stay in Miami on New Years' Eve enjoy the experience?

What was gained from FSU opting to play in that game?

While we are at it, what did UNC gain from playing in the Fenway Bowl last year with a team that clearly did not want to be there and an interim coach that didn't know his elbow from his rear end?
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The bowl games are useless.

I know people like what they grew up with but it's an outdated and senseless system. It wasn't even great in its heyday.
 
Calheel said:
So did the FSU players and coaches benefit from losing to Georgia 63-3 in a game in which all the good players sat and no one from FSU really wanted to be there?

Did FSU benefit from the extra bowl practices when they went 2-10 the next year?

Did the FSU fans who spent a lot of money for a place to stay in Miami on New Years' Eve enjoy the experience?

What was gained from FSU opting to play in that game?

While we are at it, what did UNC gain from playing in the Fenway Bowl last year with a team that clearly did not want to be there and an interim coach that didn't know his elbow from his rear end?
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I suspect if you ask any coach, they're going to want those extra practice days.

The kids, especially the ones that aren't going pro, get a few events, some goodie grab bags, and a last game to celebrate their season. It's not nothing. I think if you ask a lot of former football athletes, the bowls are some of the best memories win or lose.

But yeah, I'm sure it's not awesome for the fans. I went to a couple with Georgia Tech and one with UNC and I was pretty underwhelmed by the experience. I just watch them on TV now.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
I suspect if you ask any coach, they're going to want those extra practice days.

The kids, especially the ones that aren't going pro, get a few events, some goodie grab bags, and a last game to celebrate their season. It's not nothing. I think if you ask a lot of former football athletes, the bowls are some of the best memories win or lose.

But yeah, I'm sure it's not awesome for the fans. I went to a couple with Georgia Tech and one with UNC and I was pretty underwhelmed by the experience. I just watch them on TV now.
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The goodie bags meant something when players were only paid under the table. Now that the average player is making 200 times the value of the goodie bag, it is much less relevant.

I have no doubt SOME players would like the season to continue. But that doesn't mean it is a good idea. Football is a team sport. You need everyone to be committed to the enterprise to make it work. Otherwise, you get the 2024 Fenway Bowl, or even worse, the 2011 Independence Bowl when the interim staff was spending the bowl period looking for the next job and not preparing UNC to avoid getting waxed by a very mid Missouri team.

In any event, all of this is going away once the new Super League is formed in 2030 or whenever. If you really have nostalgia for the bowl system, you better go to as many as you can the next couple of years.
 
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