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A Biden problem to solve that the House GOP and incoming administration are forcing a shutdown???

Trump’s last two posts at TS are sort of hilarious in that regard:

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But it is Biden’s fault. Yesterday:

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Republicans like Chip Roy need to be “Done away with”?

“Our Country is better off closing up for a period of time than agreeing to the things the Democrats want …”

“Go for the Victory even if it means shutting the Government down for a period of time”
 
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ZenMode said:
Trump is a pathological liar and he says a lot of dumb things, but he also jokes a lot... and the most worrisome liberals are often unable to distinguish between his general idiocy and his joking. He's not running for a 3rd term. He's not going to refuse to leave office. He's going to do his 2nd term and leave office because there's no way in hell Republicans will ever.... EVER even attempt to do something as dumb as pushing for a constitutional change to allow more than 2 terms.

President-elect Donald Trump, during a meeting with House Republicans on Wednesday, made an apparent joke in which he remarked that the GOP might want to “do something” that would somehow allow him to serve a third term in 2028.

“I suspect I won’t be running again, unless you do something,” Trump said, according to audio shared with The Hill. “Unless you say, ‘He’s so good, we have to just figure it out.’”

Trump’s remarks garnered some laughs from the GOP lawmakers, a couple of whom dismissed them as a joke. But Trump has made similar comments in the past, having previously floated the ideas of “extending” his term or somehow disregarding term limits.
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I don’t understand. You say there is no way Trump will seek a third time and then post evidence that shows he absolutely is considering the idea.
Trump saying he won’t seek a third term with the qualifier “unless you think I’m so good…” is like an alcoholic promising to never drink again “unless I want to.”
 
ZenMode said:
Trump is a pathological liar and he says a lot of dumb things, but he also jokes a lot... and the most worrisome liberals are often unable to distinguish between his general idiocy and his joking. He's not running for a 3rd term. He's not going to refuse to leave office. He's going to do his 2nd term and leave office because there's no way in hell Republicans will ever.... EVER even attempt to do something as dumb as pushing for a constitutional change to allow more than 2 terms.

President-elect Donald Trump, during a meeting with House Republicans on Wednesday, made an apparent joke in which he remarked that the GOP might want to “do something” that would somehow allow him to serve a third term in 2028.

“I suspect I won’t be running again, unless you do something,” Trump said, according to audio shared with The Hill. “Unless you say, ‘He’s so good, we have to just figure it out.’”

Trump’s remarks garnered some laughs from the GOP lawmakers, a couple of whom dismissed them as a joke. But Trump has made similar comments in the past, having previously floated the ideas of “extending” his term or somehow disregarding term limits.
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So true. We're coming up on the four year anniversary of Trump peacefully leaving office.
 
BlueSmoke said:
The first time since the election that I'm starting to feel pretty good. Didn't think there would be many checks on Trump. But if its true, that this Speaker has never passed anything without Democratic votes.........then we can work with that and check Trump I would think.
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Trump is in his last term. He doesn't have much to offer Republicans going forward. They aren't going to bend the knee like they have in the past.

Trump-backed spending deal fails in House, shutdown approaches​

WASHINGTON, Dec 19 (Reuters) - A spending bill backed by Donald Trump failed in the U.S. House of Representatives on Thursday as dozens of Republicans defied the president-elect, leaving Congress with no clear plan to avert a fast-approaching government shutdown that could disrupt Christmas travel.

The vote laid bare fault lines in Trump's Republican Party that could surface again next year when they control the White House and both chambers of Congress.


 
ChileG said:
I don’t understand. You say there is no way Trump will seek a third time and then post evidence that shows he absolutely is considering the idea.
Trump saying he won’t seek a third term with the qualifier “unless you think I’m so good…” is like an alcoholic promising to never drink again “unless I want to.”
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He's saying that Republicans would have to do something to give him the option to run for a third term. Republicans aren't going to do that. There is no way. It would be political suicide.
 
ZenMode said:
He's saying that Republicans would have to do something to give him the option to run for a third term. Republicans aren't going to do that. There is no way. It would be political suicide.
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I encourage you to Google Trump and political suicide and see how many times over the last decade we've been told his nomination or his actions have amounted to political suicide. And yet, here we are...
 
lawtig02 said:
Doubt it. I think it just means Johnson’s remaining days are very few. But the chaos and incompetence may continue, and that could be a good thing relatively speaking.
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I think they will seriously put Elon in the role at this point. He can certainly financially threaten his way in to the position.
 
ZenMode said:
He's not running for a 3rd term. He's not going to refuse to leave office. He's going to do his 2nd term and leave office because there's no way in hell Republicans will ever.... EVER even attempt to do something as dumb as pushing for a constitutional change to allow more than 2 terms.
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I don't think a constitutional change has to happen.

The 22nd Amendment says "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

So suppose Trump runs as VP on a ticket with Person X at the top of the ticket. And with a wink and a nod it's understood by all that, if they win, Person X will immediately resign the presidency. Trump becomes President again by operation of the 25th Amendment, and he wasn't elected to the office more than twice. Tell me with confidence this Supreme Court wouldn't uphold that.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I encourage you to Google Trump and political suicide and see how many times over the last decade we've been told his nomination or his actions have amounted to political suicide. And yet, here we are...
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Because to his supporters it doesn't matter as long as the ultimate focus is the hope of a fascist nation for straight white Christian nationalism.
 
TangledUpInBlue06 said:
I don't think a constitutional change has to happen.

The 22nd Amendment says "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once."

So suppose Trump runs as VP on a ticket with Person X at the top of the ticket. And with a wink and a nod it's understood by all that, if they win, Person X will immediately resign the presidency. Trump becomes President again by operation of the 25th Amendment, and he wasn't elected to the office more than twice. Tell me with confidence this Supreme Court wouldn't uphold that.
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I've seen that supported by some legal scholars. Don't see why someone would do that for him. That's pissing on the public's head and telling them it's raining.

I've never been in favor of the 22nd Amendment anyway so I'm not offended with the idea of doing away with it. There's a good chance that either Trump, me or both wouldn't make it that long anyway. If Americans ended up with him again, they probably deserve it.
 
finesse said:
I've seen that supported by some legal scholars. Don't see why someone would do that for him. That's pissing on the public's head and telling them it's raining.

I've never been in favor of the 22nd Amendment anyway so I'm not offended with the idea of doing away with it. There's a good chance that either Trump, me or both wouldn't make it that long anyway. If Americans ended up with him again, they probably deserve it.
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But I wouldn't say they deserve it if he won and didn't win the popular vote. The majority of the country shouldn't have to suffer with a narcissistic sociopath as President just because a lot of idiots are racists, bigots, and just plain idiots.
 
altmin said:
I think they will seriously put Elon in the role at this point. He can certainly financially threaten his way in to the position.
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I can’t really see them doing that. For two reasons. That would probably be the literal inflection point.

Also, it would bind Musk to the rules of the office. Right now he can be lawless.
 
finesse said:
I've seen that supported by some legal scholars?
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who? the 12th is clear. "But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States"

the "slide in thru the back strategy" cannot be accomplished this way. it would require a vp to resign, congress to appoint trump to vp, then the president to resign.
 
StoneColdHeel said:
But I wouldn't say they deserve it if he won and didn't win the popular vote. The majority of the country shouldn't have to suffer with a narcissistic sociopath as President just because a lot of idiots are racists, bigots, and just plain idiots.
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Do you ever stop to think about implications? If the public supported a ticket where he was running as vp, then they would have to be terminally stupid not to see this coming.
 
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