CURRENT EVENTS - April 27-30

superrific said:
Here's a more Yikes moment:

The judge’s wife, Nancy Cano, was charged Friday with conspiracy to tamper with evidence. The criminal complaint alleges that she told Ortega-Lopez to delete his Facebook account where he had posted photos with weapons allegedly owned by the judge, his wife, or their daughter.

Advising someone to scrub their social media is now conspiracy to tamper with evidence? Um, yeah, a lot of people are apparently at risk of being charged with felonies. You cool with that MAGA?
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I don't know if telling someone to delete their Facebook account is tampering, but what is it with sketchy liberals smashing cell phones with hammers to hide things. Jeez....
 
ZenMode said:
A public hallway to an elevator that is not the closest to the courtroom. My guess, based on the fact that they were directed out of the "jury door", is that the intention was to avoid DEA/FBI by sending them out a different door and to a different elevator.... hence the suspect sprinting once outside and confronted by DEA/FBI.

Had Ruiz left through the courtroom door, where DEA was expecting him to leave, he would have met with multiple agents, not just the one who happened to see him and make it into the elevator with him.

The fact that a DEA agent managed to get in the elevator with them is secondary to the intentions of the judge.

I am familiar with the layout of the sixth floor of the courthouse and know that the south elevators are not the closest elevators to Courtroom 615, and therefore it appears that Flores-Ruiz and his counsel elected not to use the closest elevator bank to Courtroom 615.

DEA Agent A followed Flores-Ruiz and his attorney towards the south elevator bank. At approximately 8:50 a.m., DEA Agent A alerted other members of the arrest team that DEA Agent A was on the elevator with Flores-Ruiz. While on the elevator, Flores-Ruiz and his attorney spoke to each other in Spanish,Case 2:25-mj-00397-SCD Filed 04/24/25 Page 12 of 13 Document 112 which DEA Agent A did not understand. They exited the elevator on one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and used the Ninth Street public entrance/exit to leave the building.34. Having received the above-referenced information from DEA Agent A, other members of the arrest team scrambled to locate Flores-Ruiz and arrest him. DEA Agent B and FBI Agents A and B took another elevator down to one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and quickly exited the building onto 9th Street. After DEA Agent A notified the team that Flores-Ruiz was in the front of the courthouse near the flagpole, the agents ran towards the front of thecourthouse. FBI Agent B and DEA Agent A approached Flores-Ruiz and identified themselves as law enforcement. Flores-Ruiz turned around and sprinted down the street. A foot chase ensued.
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This is outrageous. If you are a DEA or ICE agent, fluency in Spanish should be a job requirement. And don’t even get me started on being too lazy to take the stairs (down!) in pursuit of someone you are trying to arrest.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know if telling someone to delete their Facebook account is tampering, but what is it with sketchy liberals smashing cell phones with hammers to hide things. Jeez....
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Who are you talking about? The magistrate? How do you know he's liberal? Someone suggested that he was dating the judge's daughter. What if she's pregnant with his child? Might a dad of any political stripe want the father of his grandchild not to be in an El Salvadorian prison?
 
lawtig02 said:
The deficit is higher than ever.
Ukraine and Russia are still at war.
China is kicking our asses in trade.
Manufacturing is not moving back to the US.
The markets are way down.
Inflation is NOT down.
Most economists are now predicting a major recession.
You're still taking dumps next to biological women.

What exactly are you suggesting Trump HAS done so far?
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superrific said:
I don't know, but if the suspect is in your house, you're already harboring so the analogy doesn't hold.
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Well, let's say that you didn't know that the police were coming for the person, as was the case with the judge. Plus, this person is obviously supposed to be in court, so the judge isn't harboring. She's just doing her job.

But she knew that the DEA/FBI were there to get the person. She went out and talked to them outside of what was apparently the "standard" in/out door for the courtroom, so she knew where they were waiting.... then she intentionally directed the suspect/lawyer out of a different door to avoid DEA/FBI and arrest.

That sounds illegal in this case as it would be at someone's home.
 
White House Press Secretary Caroline Leavitt, pictured here practicing for her next job, describes Jeff Bezos threatening to display tariff charges on Amazon products as a "hostile and political act." (Personally, I would very much appreciate knowing exactly how much extra I'm paying on each product because of the Trump administration's tariffs. It's a brilliant idea, really.) So much for pretending to be the "most transparent administration in history" I guess...

apnews.com

White House: Amazon's plans to list tariff costs are a 'hostile and political act'

The White House on Tuesday slammed plans by Amazon to show how much President Donald Trump's tariffs have raised prices on certain goods, calling it “a hostile and political act.”
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ZenMode said:
I read the NBC story I posted yesterday and listened to description from news updates and podcasts.

Dugan was hit with a criminal complaint Friday alleging that on April 18, she helped Eduardo Flores-Ruiz and his attorney exit her courtroom when U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents showed up to arrest a man they said was an undocumented immigrant.

Her alleged actions were cheered by immigration advocates who rallied outside of the courthouse, with speakers leading the protesters in chants of “due process is not negotiable” and “drop the charges.”

“We see nothing wrong with what she did,” said Christine Neumann-Ortiz, executive director of Voces de la Frontera. She said her organization knows the judge as someone who defends people in the court system. “She’s someone who acted on her conscience and was standing up for due process rights for herself and others,” she said.
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In other words, NO.

Thanks, it's now clear where your opinion comes from.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't know if telling someone to delete their Facebook account is tampering, but what is it with sketchy liberals smashing cell phones with hammers to hide things. Jeez....
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Really?? You think only liberals do such things?

Ever heard of planted evidence? It can be planted on a phone also. And metadata for time stamps, etc, can be faked.
 
ZenMode said:
Well, let's say that you didn't know that the police were coming for the person, as was the case with the judge. Plus, this person is obviously supposed to be in court, so the judge isn't harboring. She's just doing her job.

But she knew that the DEA/FBI were there to get the person. She went out and talked to them outside of what was apparently the "standard" in/out door for the courtroom, so she knew where they were waiting.... then she intentionally directed the suspect/lawyer out of a different door to avoid DEA/FBI and arrest.

That sounds illegal in this case as it would be at someone's home.
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It doesn't matter whether it sounds illegal. Legality is determined by the statute. In this case, the statute creates liability for people who "harbor or conceal." Those words have meanings, and they are judged according to ordinary language -- not your dictionary torture.

She didn't conceal him; that word has a meaning and obviously she didn't do it. He wasn't hiding under some tarps in the back of a pickup truck, or given access to a secret room where he could chill out for a while. Harboring means sheltering, which obviously she didn't do.

Of course they are charging her to fool people like you, who see this and think, "gee, these judges are criminals." They are not. Maybe that guy in NM; I don't know and don't care. Hannah Dugan did nothing even approaching criminal liability. They are going to quietly drop the case, or the judge will release her because the affidavit does not support the arrest.
 
Ramrouser said:
I couldn't be happier the way things have gone the first 100 days. I'm not wild about the the tariffs and "liberation day" but this shall soon pass as we make trade deals with our allies over the coming months allowing us to focus on China. Have trust in Bessent.

What exactly to you want us to "speak out" about? That DOGE isn't making even bigger cuts in spending and eliminating even more waste? That deportations aren't occurring fast enough? That the border isn't even more secure? That DEI isn't been rooted out of government fast enough? That federal district courts in liberal jurisdictions are slowing down Trump's agenda? Fair enough.

"Trump has done NOTHING that he promised he would do..." - Huh, are you kidding me?
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Trump has done nothing positive for our country, it's sad that anyone sees this shit show without a plan as a positive.

And Bassent hasn't earned any trust, just as trump hasn't.
 
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lawtig02 said:
The deficit is higher than ever.
Ukraine and Russia are still at war.
China is kicking our asses in trade.
Manufacturing is not moving back to the US.
The markets are way down.
Inflation is NOT down.
Most economists are now predicting a major recession.
You're still taking dumps next to biological women.

What exactly are you suggesting Trump HAS done so far?
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Trump lied and told them that prices are down, other countries are kissing his ass, and income taxes are going away.

The concern is they seem to believe him, even after considering there is no support for his statements and that he routinely lies about everything.
 
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superrific said:
Of course they are charging her to fool people like you, who see this and think, "gee, these judges are criminals." They are not. Maybe that guy in NM; I don't know and don't care. Hannah Dugan did nothing even approaching criminal liability. They are going to quietly drop the case, or the judge will release her because the affidavit does not support the arrest.
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I don't think I'm the one being fooled.

18 U.S. Code § 752 - Instigating or assisting escape​

(a)Whoever rescues or attempts to rescue or instigates, aids or assists the escape, or attempt to escape, of any person arrested upon a warrant or other process issued under any law of the United States, or committed to the custody of the Attorney General or to any institution or facility by his direction, shall, if the custody or confinement is by virtue of an arrest on a charge of felony, or conviction of any offense, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; or, if the custody or confinement is for extradition, or for exclusion or expulsion proceedings under the immigration laws, or by virtue of an arrest or charge of or for a misdemeanor, and prior to conviction, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(b) Whoever rescues or attempts to rescue or instigates, aids, or assists the escape or attempted escape of any person in the custody of the Attorney General or his authorized representative, or of any person arrested upon a warrant or other process issued under any law of the United States or from any institution or facility in which he is confined by direction of the Attorney General, shall, if the custody or confinement is by virtue of a lawful arrest for a violation of any law of the United States not punishable by death or life imprisonment and committed before such person’s eighteenth birthday, and as to whom the Attorney General has not specifically directed the institution of criminal proceedings, or by virtue of a commitment as a juvenile delinquent under section 5034 of this title, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
 
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ZenMode said:

18 U.S. Code § 752 - Instigating or assisting escape​

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1. They didn't charge her under that statute.
2. That only applies to a person in custody. He was not in custody. That's why they didn't charge her under the statute.

You've been trying for years to win an argument with me about the law. You have, of course, failed. Why do you keep fighting? If you like getting your ass beaten on the regular, go root for NCSU.
 
superrific said:
1. They didn't charge her under that statute.
2. That only applies to a person in custody. He was not in custody. That's why they didn't charge her under the statute.

You've been trying for years to win an argument with me about the law. You have, of course, failed. Why do you keep fighting? If you like getting your ass beaten on the regular, go root for NCSU.
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Whatever statute she was charged under, I only read the affidavit, I hope she's found guilty. We shouldn't want judges protecting criminals/suspects by helping them escape a lawful arrest, right?

I say "right?" because it seems that a hatred of Trump has warped some people's sense of right and wrong.
 
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