CURRENT EVENTS - April 27-30

BlooVooDoo said:
This is outrageous. If you are a DEA or ICE agent, fluency in Spanish should be a job requirement. And don’t even get me started on being too lazy to take the stairs (down!) in pursuit of someone you are trying to arrest.
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Zen's approach to bosiding this one is to expect more from the judge who's just trying to do her job (which is to try DV cases and get people to show up for those cases), and to expect absolutely nothing from the LEs who appear to have been absolutely TERRIBLE at doing theirs.
 
lawtig02 said:
Zen's approach to bosiding this one is to expect more from the judge who's just trying to do her job (which is to try DV cases and get people to show up for those cases), and to expect absolutely nothing from the LEs who appear to have been absolutely TERRIBLE at doing theirs.
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LEs did their job and caught the criminal DESPITE the judge's attempt to help the criminal escape.

The only one who appears to be terrible at their job is the judge.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think I'm the one being fooled.

18 U.S. Code § 752 - Instigating or assisting escape​

(a)Whoever rescues or attempts to rescue or instigates, aids or assists the escape, or attempt to escape, of any person arrested upon a warrant or other process issued under any law of the United States, or committed to the custody of the Attorney General or to any institution or facility by his direction, shall, if the custody or confinement is by virtue of an arrest on a charge of felony, or conviction of any offense, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both; or, if the custody or confinement is for extradition, or for exclusion or expulsion proceedings under the immigration laws, or by virtue of an arrest or charge of or for a misdemeanor, and prior to conviction, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.

(b) Whoever rescues or attempts to rescue or instigates, aids, or assists the escape or attempted escape of any person in the custody of the Attorney General or his authorized representative, or of any person arrested upon a warrant or other process issued under any law of the United States or from any institution or facility in which he is confined by direction of the Attorney General, shall, if the custody or confinement is by virtue of a lawful arrest for a violation of any law of the United States not punishable by death or life imprisonment and committed before such person’s eighteenth birthday, and as to whom the Attorney General has not specifically directed the institution of criminal proceedings, or by virtue of a commitment as a juvenile delinquent under section 5034 of this title, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
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No, you're just saying stupid shit to stay in practice. Start with the very basics. There had been no arrest and no one was in custody.
 
ZenMode said:
A public hallway to an elevator that is not the closest to the courtroom. My guess, based on the fact that they were directed out of the "jury door", is that the intention was to avoid DEA/FBI by sending them out a different door and to a different elevator.... hence the suspect sprinting once outside and confronted by DEA/FBI.

Had Ruiz left through the courtroom door, where DEA was expecting him to leave, he would have met with multiple agents, not just the one who happened to see him and make it into the elevator with him.

The fact that a DEA agent managed to get in the elevator with them is secondary to the intentions of the judge.

I am familiar with the layout of the sixth floor of the courthouse and know that the south elevators are not the closest elevators to Courtroom 615, and therefore it appears that Flores-Ruiz and his counsel elected not to use the closest elevator bank to Courtroom 615.

DEA Agent A followed Flores-Ruiz and his attorney towards the south elevator bank. At approximately 8:50 a.m., DEA Agent A alerted other members of the arrest team that DEA Agent A was on the elevator with Flores-Ruiz. While on the elevator, Flores-Ruiz and his attorney spoke to each other in Spanish,Case 2:25-mj-00397-SCD Filed 04/24/25 Page 12 of 13 Document 112 which DEA Agent A did not understand. They exited the elevator on one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and used the Ninth Street public entrance/exit to leave the building.34. Having received the above-referenced information from DEA Agent A, other members of the arrest team scrambled to locate Flores-Ruiz and arrest him. DEA Agent B and FBI Agents A and B took another elevator down to one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and quickly exited the building onto 9th Street. After DEA Agent A notified the team that Flores-Ruiz was in the front of the courthouse near the flagpole, the agents ran towards the front of thecourthouse. FBI Agent B and DEA Agent A approached Flores-Ruiz and identified themselves as law enforcement. Flores-Ruiz turned around and sprinted down the street. A foot chase ensued.
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ZenMode said:
A public hallway to an elevator that is not the closest to the courtroom. My guess, based on the fact that they were directed out of the "jury door", is that the intention was to avoid DEA/FBI by sending them out a different door and to a different elevator.... hence the suspect sprinting once outside and confronted by DEA/FBI.

Had Ruiz left through the courtroom door, where DEA was expecting him to leave, he would have met with multiple agents, not just the one who happened to see him and make it into the elevator with him.

The fact that a DEA agent managed to get in the elevator with them is secondary to the intentions of the judge.

I am familiar with the layout of the sixth floor of the courthouse and know that the south elevators are not the closest elevators to Courtroom 615, and therefore it appears that Flores-Ruiz and his counsel elected not to use the closest elevator bank to Courtroom 615.

DEA Agent A followed Flores-Ruiz and his attorney towards the south elevator bank. At approximately 8:50 a.m., DEA Agent A alerted other members of the arrest team that DEA Agent A was on the elevator with Flores-Ruiz. While on the elevator, Flores-Ruiz and his attorney spoke to each other in Spanish,Case 2:25-mj-00397-SCD Filed 04/24/25 Page 12 of 13 Document 112 which DEA Agent A did not understand. They exited the elevator on one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and used the Ninth Street public entrance/exit to leave the building.34. Having received the above-referenced information from DEA Agent A, other members of the arrest team scrambled to locate Flores-Ruiz and arrest him. DEA Agent B and FBI Agents A and B took another elevator down to one of the bottom floors of the courthouse and quickly exited the building onto 9th Street. After DEA Agent A notified the team that Flores-Ruiz was in the front of the courthouse near the flagpole, the agents ran towards the front of thecourthouse. FBI Agent B and DEA Agent A approached Flores-Ruiz and identified themselves as law enforcement. Flores-Ruiz turned around and sprinted down the street. A foot chase ensued.
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nope
 
Trump is moving at breakneck speed while breaking things. He's trying to accomplish as much as he can in two years - taking on issues that no other politician in my lifetime has been willing to take on. Trump is NOT governing to be popular with poll tested policies. So, given this and given our current political environment some slippage is expected.

Plus, most of the media polls are crap and designed to fit the media's 100 day narrative. You really trust these polls that have NEVER been able to accurately gage Trump's support? Rasmussen still has him at 47+/-.

Finally, even the crap media polls show him beating Dems 37% to 30% in head to head as to whom the public prefers on major issues.
 


Serious question — is that what Americans want? A guaranty of a factory job where three generations of your family expect to work there? I mean, it may be for more and more people but seems different from the generational upward mobility I thought people wanted back …
 
nycfan said:
Serious question — is that what Americans want? A guaranty of a factory job where three generations of your family expect to work there? I mean, it may be for more and more people but seems different from the generational upward mobility I thought people wanted back …
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Sounds more like indentured servitude. Even if they don't care about upward mobility, who the fuck wants to be told, "this is what you're going to do for the rest of your life." Talk about fucking pressure!
 
Ramrouser said:
Trump is moving at breakneck speed while breaking things. He's trying to accomplish as much as he can in two years - taking on issues that no other politician in my lifetime has been willing to take on. Trump is NOT governing to be popular with poll tested policies. So, given this and given our current political environment some slippage is expected.

Plus, most of the media polls are crap and designed to fit the media's 100 day narrative. You really trust these polls that have NEVER been able to accurately gage Trump's support? Rasmussen still has him at 47+/-.

Finally, even the crap media polls show him beating Dems 37% to 30% in head to head as to whom the public prefers on major issues.
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nycfan said:


Serious question — is that what Americans want? A guaranty of a factory job where three generations of your family expect to work there? I mean, it may be for more and more people but seems different from the generational upward mobility I thought people wanted back …
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While maybe difficult to envision for the type of people who mostly frequent this board (primarily college educated white-collar professions) ...yes that is what a good share of blue-collar workers wants. Some people just want a job where they are given a task that they can grind away at until the day is done.

I think there was some discussion here about a recent poll that showed "only" 20% of Americans wanted more manufacturing jobs. That 20% represents tens of millions of workers who that would be glad to have a factory job but do not have one or the prospect to get one. Maybe they are unemployed or underemployed in other types of jobs that they hate. Upward mobility is relative. For someone whose skillset is primarily suited to a blue-collar position, that factory job may give the opportunity for generational upward mobility. Maybe they'll advance to a supervisory position with more pay and the next generation of that factory worker will be a white-collar worker. My father started as blue-collar worker who advanced to a plant manager based on innate leadership skills and died a multi-millionaire.

Working a blue-collar position is an honest day's work and should provide a level of pay that allows a person to not just marginally survive but to have a family and a reasonable home in the modern US.
 

Case of a headline that buries the punchline:​

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Hegseth cancels Pentagon program. It was signed into law by Trump.​

The 2017 bill Trump signed into law was backed by two current Cabinet members when they were members of Congress.


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“… His attack on the program is especially notable since Trump signed the program into law and multiple members of Trump’s current cabinet backed the effort as members of Congress.

Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem, then a member of Congress from South Dakota, wrote the House version of the 2017 Women, Peace and Security Act alongside Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.). Secretary of State Marco Rubio, a former Florida senator, co-sponsored that chamber’s version of the law. That bill codified the “women, peace and security” agenda and its priorities across the State Department, Pentagon and other government agencies into U.S. law.

As recently as this month, Rubio hailed Trump’s decision to sign the Women, Peace and Security Act, describing it as “the first law passed by any country in the world focused on protecting women and promoting their participation in society.” …”
 
nycfan said:


Serious question — is that what Americans want? A guaranty of a factory job where three generations of your family expect to work there? I mean, it may be for more and more people but seems different from the generational upward mobility I thought people wanted back …
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Since Lutnick has never had to experience these issues himself, he sees it in a cartoonish way, similar to Trump.

To the extent that people think they want factory jobs, it’s because they have traditionally been associated with a certain standard of living in this country. It wasn’t because people necessarily want to work in a factory.

They want the ability to provide for their family and its continued existence. That’s why the people who do work in these factories don’t generally recommend the same line of work for their children. If one can achieve this standard of living without breaking their back in a factory, it’s preferable. But the ability to achieve that standard of living has been continually declining for most blue-collar workers in America.
 
dcphx said:
While maybe difficult to envision for the type of people who mostly frequent this board (primarily college educated white-collar professions) ...yes that is what a good share of blue-collar workers wants. Some people just want a job where they are given a task that they can grind away at until the day is done.
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It's not the collar color. It's the implication that you're locked into a path. Blue collar workers might want a task they can grind away at (I wouldn't really know), but that doesn't mean they want it to be the same task for 30 years. The idea that this is the new model (a claim which is of course laughable), that people choose their careers when they start the workforce and won't deviate? And that they aren't just choosing for themselves but their descendants too? I am skeptical.
 
dcphx said:
While maybe difficult to envision for the type of people who mostly frequent this board (primarily college educated white-collar professions) ...yes that is what a good share of blue-collar workers wants. Some people just want a job where they are given a task that they can grind away at until the day is done.

I think there was some discussion here about a recent poll that showed "only" 20% of Americans wanted more manufacturing jobs. That 20% represents tens of millions of workers who that would be glad to have a factory job but do not have one or the prospect to get one. Maybe they are unemployed or underemployed in other types of jobs that they hate. Upward mobility is relative. For someone whose skillset is primarily suited to a blue-collar position, that factory job may give the opportunity for generational upward mobility. Maybe they'll advance to a supervisory position with more pay and the next generation of that factory worker will be a white-collar worker. My father started as blue-collar worker who advanced to a plant manager based on innate leadership skills and died a multi-millionaire.

Working a blue-collar position is an honest day's work and should provide a level of pay that allows a person to not just marginally survive but to have a family and a reasonable home in the modern US.
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There are certain high value industries-completely Unionized-where pay is good for "grinders" What "chemical operators" jobs that are left in Charleston Wva pay 80-100 a year (with good overtime years)
 
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