Did the UCF football game thread get deleted?



Obviously the phrasing of that tweet by McMurphy is dumb, but I generally don’t think it’s a good thing for our football coach to be on the cover of a national publication because his 24-year-old girlfriend who is 50 years his junior is the primary topic of conversation during the football season. I’m pretty sure that this is not what we are paying $50 million to get.

Man, can you imagine what the Bill Belichick of 10 years, 15 years, or 20 years ago would have thought of that magazine cover with Bill Belichick of today on it? I mean, come on. We are paying $50 million because we thought we were getting the bill Belichick of 10 years, 15 years, or 20 years ago. Things could change, but right now we are decidedly not getting that version. We are getting played like a fiddle.
 
I don't think it's a con by BB, even if it turns out to be a total failure. I think he has complete confidence in his ability to build a successful football program and believes he will do it at UNC.

What worries me is that my initial reaction to hearing BB's name in the coaching search was that it was a joke and he wouldn't be someone who was seriously considered. Then I got wrapped up on the hype and excitement around the hire. Now I'm back to feeling how I did when his name first popped up. We'll see. I'll keep going to the games and hoping for the best. But my expectations that this ends up being a success are pretty low now.
 
I don't think it's a con by BB, even if it turns out to be a total failure. I think he has complete confidence in his ability to build a successful football program and believes he will do it at UNC.

What worries me is that my initial reaction to hearing BB's name in the coaching search was that it was a joke and he wouldn't be someone who was seriously considered. Then I got wrapped up on the hype and excitement around the hire. Now I'm back to feeling how I did when his name first popped up. We'll see. I'll keep going to the games and hoping for the best. But my expectations that this ends up being a success are pretty low now.
Yeah I think I agree with this,I don’t think it is a con by Belichick in the sense that he’s purposefully tanking. I think the explanation for what is happening is a lot simpler: I think Bill Belichick long ago lost his fastball, was so burnt by having been unceremoniously dumped by New England, was so desperate to get another NFL head coaching job to prove to everyone and maybe even himself that he is still the football coach coaching genius and savant that people thought he was for two decades, and then was so broken by the fact that not one single solitary NFL team would give him the time of day, that he found the one college or university desperate enough and shortsighted enough to pay him $10 million per year to come coach it’s football team.

I certainly do not think that Belichick is sucking on purpose or wants to suck. I think that he and his staff came in with unbridled arrogance and a belief that just because they coached in the NFL that they could run circles around all of these college coaches. (And to be fair to Bill, he’s not the only former NFL coach and not even the only former New England Patriot to hold that belief- Charlie Weiss and all of his “decided schematic advantage” hubris perfected it 20 years ago when he failed at Notre Dame).

I think that Belichick has surrounded himself for years now with yes men, and that’s exactly what he filled his UNC staff with- his sons, his friends, his friends’ sons, and a whole bunch of other people who have zero experience coaching collegiate football.

Last but not least, I think that it is entirely possible, if not probable, that Bill Belichick all along was never some football savant but rather some very good football coach who was fortunate enough to be paired with the greatest quarterback of all time. I’m definitely not one of those people who thinks that the New England Patriots success was all Bill, or all Tom. I do think it is becoming clear that Belichick is probably a good, solid football coach who- at least previously- did a really good job of implementing a no nonsense, no distractions, do your job, business like psychological approach to football, but that he is not really much more than that. And that’s totally OK! There’s nothing wrong with that! He’s still be better than most coaches ever. But it’s becoming pretty obvious that Tom Brady was both the icing and the cherry on top of the New England Patriots cake and that Bill- while undoubtedly a very, very good football coach- is not and has never been the be-all, end-all of football coaching acumen. There are lots and lots of examples throughout football history at both the collegiate and professional levels of good, solid coaches being exceptionally elevated by elite, generational quarterbacks.

All of the above to say, I think that Bill would have been better served enjoying retirement and UNC would have been better served pursuing more traditional collegiate football coaching candidates and pouring a similar level of investment into them as what we’ve done over the last 10 months. I think that this current arrangement is a marriage of convenience, and not a good one – I think that Bill needed some sort of coaching outlet to be able to prove to the rest of the world that he is still the coaching GOAT, and I think that UNC was desperate for football relevance, and I think that because both were available at the same time, they meshed. But I do not think it is a good long-term solution and it might not even be a good short-term solution.

TL;DR: I think this whole thing is a perfect example of hubris and desperation on the part of both Bill Belichick and UNC, and it’s backfiring on both.
 
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All of the above to say, I think that Bill would have been better served enjoying retirement and UNC would have been better served pursuing more traditional collegiate football coaching candidates and pouring a similar level of investment into them that we’ve done over the last 10 months. I think that this current arrangement is a marriage of convenience, and not a good one – I think that Bill needed some sort of coaching outlet to be able to prove to the rest of the world that he is still the coaching GOAT, and I think that UNC was desperate for football relevance, and I think that because both were available at the same time, they meshed. But I do not think it is a good long-term solution and it might not even be a good short-term solution.

TL;DR: I think this whole thing is a perfect example of total hubris on the part of both Bill Belichick and UNC
I agree with essentially everything you wrote except for this bolded part here. Bill's being served handsomely, to the tune of an essentially unrefundable 30mil over 3 years, to do what he's doing right now. if anything, that's what elevates this thing to the level of con. if this genuinely is about his pride, he'll voluntarily step away and take UNC off the hook for his buyout - otherwise, while it may not meet all the criteria of a scam, I'm not going to be mad at people saying UNC is a victim of one all the same.
 

  • A: Wild success
  • B: Encouraging signs
  • C: Meeting expectations
  • D: Below expectations
  • F: A total disaster

Bill Belichick,​

Belichick took on a major project when he decided to transition from NFL to the college level for the first time in his career. Four games in, it looks like one of the most disastrous hires in recent memory. The Tar Heels are 2-2, but have been outscored 82-23 against Power Four competition. Going on the road and losing 34-9 against a UCF team projected among one of the worst in the Big 12 was a historically awful moment for the program. There's a realistic chance that the Tar Heels lose out, which would mark the worst season in Chapel Hill since 2003. For comparison, Mack Brown posted six straight bowl appearances. Grade: F
 
I agree with essentially everything you wrote except for this bolded part here. Bill's being served handsomely, to the tune of an essentially unrefundable 30mil over 3 years, to do what he's doing right now. if anything, that's what elevates this thing to the level of con. if this genuinely is about his pride, he'll voluntarily step away and take UNC off the hook for his buyout - otherwise, while it may not meet all the criteria of a scam, I'm not going to be mad at people saying UNC is a victim of one all the same.
Shoot yeah that’s a good point, you’re exactly right, he’s definitely not doing any of this for charity, that’s for sure!
 
I think BB and his sons know how to coach defense and have been doing a 'fine' job on that side of the ball. I don't view those hires as necessarily problematic or based solely on nepotism. Offense has been a massive trainwreck, and he is getting appropriate blasted for the OC choice, hiring Lombardi's son as his QB, for picking Lopez out of the portal, for his awful scheme, and just for all of it.

I'm actually still glass half-full when thinking about the defense, and think they are fine to slightly above average, but you need to be elite if the offense is only going to score 10 points a game, and this defense was never going to be elite. The offense not even reaching the level of 'poor' is what is killing this team.
 
I think BB and his sons know how to coach defense and have been doing a 'fine' job on that side of the ball. I don't view those hires as necessarily problematic or based solely on nepotism. Offense has been a massive trainwreck, and he is getting appropriate blasted for the OC choice, hiring Lombardi's son as his QB, for picking Lopez out of the portal, for his awful scheme, and just for all of it.

I'm actually still glass half-full when thinking about the defense, and think they are fine to slightly above average, but you need to be elite if the offense is only going to score 10 points a game, and this defense was never going to be elite. The offense not even reaching the level of 'poor' is what is killing this team.
I do agree that the defense has been mostly fine and that Belichick and his sons are more than competent at coaching defense. I would have felt better about hiring a defensive coordinator with more than one year of collegiate coaching experience or even defensive coordinating experience period, and I’d feel better knowing that our DC wasn’t hired primarily because the head coach procreated him. Granted, clearly the University of Washington felt that he was a good enough defensive coach to have hired him to be their DC, so it’s not like *only* Bill Belichick would have hired Steven.

I will say, I have much, much bigger problems with both Lombardi hires than I do with either Belichick son hires.
 


Speaking of total blowhards whom I don’t really like but whose opinion on this particular situation is uncomfortably accurate….

Cowherd is basically saying that he could not care less about a relationship between two consenting adults, and he cares a lot more about the fact that Bill Belichick is terrible at the player personnel side of football coaching but yet still has so many people convinced – especially UNC – that he is some football coaching savant. Essentially Cowherd is saying what I was talking about above, which is that Belichick is a very good X’s and O’s football coach, and he’s an even better psychological motivator, but he is an extremely poor judge of player personnel- it ended his career in New England and it is going to do so at North Carolina, as well.
 
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Speaking of total blowhards whom I don’t really like but whose opinion on this particular situation is uncomfortably accurate….

Cowherd is basically saying that he could not care less about a relationship between two consenting adults, and he cares a lot more about the fact that Bill Belichick is terrible at the player personnel side of football coaching but yet still has so many people convinced – especially UNC – that he is some football coaching savant. Essentially Cowherd is saying what I was talking about above, which is that Belichick is a very good X’s and O’s football coach, and he’s an even better psychological motivator, but he is an extremely poor judge of player personnel- it ended his career in New England and it is going to do so at North Carolina, as well.

New England had a dynasty run of nearly 20 years - an unheard of length of time in the NFL. Teams are usually elite for 3-5 years at most. In very rare cases they may get a decade.

You can’t do that if you suck at identifying talented players. It is just the natural course of things that you can’t stay elite forever. Citing New England’s fall after 20 years on the top is not a very good argument for anything.
 
New England had a dynasty run of nearly 20 years - an unheard of length of time in the NFL. Teams are usually elite for 3-5 years at most. In very rare cases they may get a decade.

You can’t do that if you suck at identifying talented players. It is just the natural course of things that you can’t stay elite forever. Citing New England’s fall after 20 years on the top is not a very good argument for anything.
Yeah, that’s a good point, I mainly just mean that the Bill Belichick that UNC hired is the one that sucked for the last several years identifying player personnel at New England. I don’t mean to imply that Bill Belichick has always sucked at doing so- clearly he didn’t, and there is no way he could have won six Super Bowls in 20 years or whatever it was, without being a competent personnel evaluator. It’s just like you said, he obviously lost his fastball and his ability to do the player personnel side of things, and it obviously cost him his job in New England and is costing him already at UNC.
 


Speaking of total blowhards whom I don’t really like but whose opinion on this particular situation is uncomfortably accurate….

Cowherd is basically saying that he could not care less about a relationship between two consenting adults, and he cares a lot more about the fact that Bill Belichick is terrible at the player personnel side of football coaching but yet still has so many people convinced – especially UNC – that he is some football coaching savant. Essentially Cowherd is saying what I was talking about above, which is that Belichick is a very good X’s and O’s football coach, and he’s an even better psychological motivator, but he is an extremely poor judge of player personnel- it ended his career in New England and it is going to do so at North Carolina, as well.

And then there’s our General Manager, Michael Lombardi.

Who in the NFL was looking to hire him as GM or Director of Player Personnel or Director of Scouting?

Who in college wanted him as GM or heading up recruiting?

Not a god damn person!
 
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Another thing that Cowherd pointed out that I found interesting, was that even accounting for his trademark surliness and his default less-than-sunny disposition, it’s never been apparent that Belichick even wants to be coaching at the collegiate level. It was pretty obvious that coaches like Urban Meyer and Steve Spurrier- and hell, even Nick Saban- never truly wanted to be in the NFL. Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson are probably the only two exceptions you can point to and say that those guys genuinely enjoyed coaching in college and also genuinely enjoyed coaching in the pros.

In this day and age, with the craziness of the transfer portal and all of the other elements of college football, a coach with minimal enthusiasm or excitement or genuine passion for coaching at the collegiate level is going to get spit up and chewed out.
 
Another thing that Cowherd pointed out that I found interesting, was that even accounting for his trademark surliness and his default less-than-sunny disposition, it’s never been apparent that Belichick even wants to be coaching at the collegiate level. It was pretty obvious that coaches like Urban Meyer and Steve Spurrier- and hell, even Nick Saban- never truly wanted to be in the NFL. Pete Carroll and Jimmy Johnson are probably the only two exceptions you can point to and say that those guys genuinely enjoyed coaching in college and also genuinely enjoyed coaching in the pros.

In this day and age, with the craziness of the transfer portal and all of the other elements of college football, a coach with minimal enthusiasm or excitement or genuine passion for coaching at the collegiate level is going to get spit up and chewed out.
Pete Carroll only coached in college early in his career when he was an assistant.

Those years at USC (‘01-‘09), he was coaching a well-funded professional team.
 
So how long we thinking Belichick sticks around? This season is looking like a disaster
4, cuz it will take that long to build a great roster. Big recruits for 2026 like Trashawn Ruffin and CJ Sadler would be in their 3rd seasons. Vari Green and Leroy Jackson would be 5th yrs, Eidan Buchanan and Xavier Lewis would be seniors.
 
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I think two years max. With his age, the poor results we are having and the lack of fan support I predict he hangs it up after next season. Heck it wouldn't shock me if he retires after this year
 
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4, cuz it will take that long to build a great roster. Big recruits for 2026 like Trashawn Ruffin and CJ Sadler would be in their 3rd seasons. Vari Green and Leroy Jackson would be 5th yrs, Eidan Buchanan and Xavier Lewis would be seniors.
Man, I just have a hard time believing that in the current environment anyone being recruited now or on the roster now is still here 3 years down the road.
 
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