Disney/ABC backs down, Jimmy Kimmel to return tonight.

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Calheel said:
There is zero chance his show would go non-political.
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You have lots of confidence about a situation you don't really know. Didn't he start out as non-political and was that way for many, many years? I thought he only got political with the rise of anti-vaxx, but I could be wrong. Don't watch often. So might he bill it as a return to the roots? I think there are a wide range of options and we don't know which to exclude. I tend to doubt that he would go non-political as it would kill his ratings so what would be the point, but again, many paths remain open.
 
theel4life said:
I hear Disney lost over 5 billion since the suspension. The American people spoke and they listened.
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That's just based on market cap fluctuation from everyday stock price movement. Its not a material loss. They are a $200B+ company. Even a completely normal single day change in stock price of 1% would technically be a market cap loss of $2B, but I can promise you large corporations don't make strategic decisions based off of slight movements in stock price.
 
superrific said:
You have lots of confidence about a situation you don't really know. Didn't he start out as non-political and was that way for many, many years? I thought he only got political with the rise of anti-vaxx, but I could be wrong. Don't watch often. So might he bill it as a return to the roots? I think there are a wide range of options and we don't know which to exclude. I tend to doubt that he would go non-political as it would kill his ratings so what would be the point, but again, many paths remain open.
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He started as the sports guy on K-Rock in LA, then did the man show with Adam Corolla (his fellow K-Rock comedian), which led to the new ABC show to replace Bill Maher. The show has always been political, but obsessively so since 2015 and the Trump era.
 
Calheel said:
If you have watched his show at all, you'd realize the impossibility of him doing a non-political show. It would be like the NFL adding a no tackling rule.
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Here's what ChatGPT says:

Early on it was mostly a goofy celebrity/variety show, not a politics hour. Launched in 2003, “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” leaned entertainment-first for years, with politics just as punch-line fodder like every late-night monologue

The real pivot hit in the mid-2010s and locked in during 2017: Kimmel’s emotional health-care monologue after his son’s surgery in May 2017, then his gun-violence monologue after the Las Vegas massacre that October. From there, politics became a recurring backbone of the show rather than an occasional detour.
 
superrific said:
Here's what ChatGPT says:

Early on it was mostly a goofy celebrity/variety show, not a politics hour. Launched in 2003, “Jimmy Kimmel Live!” leaned entertainment-first for years, with politics just as punch-line fodder like every late-night monologue

The real pivot hit in the mid-2010s and locked in during 2017: Kimmel’s emotional health-care monologue after his son’s surgery in May 2017, then his gun-violence monologue after the Las Vegas massacre that October. From there, politics became a recurring backbone of the show rather than an occasional detour.
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I agree with Chat-GPT's timeline. It is simply not possible* that Kimmel would do a non-Trump focused show in 2025 -- especially now.

*Unless you want to have an esoteric debate about low probability events not being mathematically excluded and how infinity is a really big thing, I think my phrasing is fine for message board purposes.
 
superrific said:
It probably isn't going to be the fiery sermon you are hoping for. My guess is that he and ABC agreed to basically more or less drop the subject. He's not going to apologize. I would be profoundly disappointed if he did. But I also doubt that he will denounce anything. He will likely make some joke about getting some vacation, and then he went on a bender and he woke up and he was like, "all this fuss about me?" Some sort of tension-defusing funny, and then he'll go back to doing his regular show.

The test will be what he says in two weeks. Will he have enough slack to continue criticizing the administration, or is his show going to go non-political. I have a feeling ABC did not reinstate him only to have his ratings tank, so who knows.
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My guess is he will tongue in cheek tweak ABC for bending the knee:

" As some of you know I have been off the air for a few days recovering from an adverse reaction to the Trump vaccine . Fortunately, ABC provides me health coverage similar to Obamacare so I'm able to return to work tonight. "
 
Calheel said:
I agree with Chat-GPT's timeline. It is simply not possible* that Kimmel would do a non-Trump focused show in 2025 -- especially now.

*Unless you want to have an esoteric debate about low probability events not being mathematically excluded and how infinity is a really big thing, I think my phrasing is fine for message board purposes.
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Didn't we agree, once upon a time, that there was essentially zero chance that the Supreme Court would give Trump broad immunity from criminal prosecution?

I'm just reluctant to assign any strong probabilities in a situation I know nothing about. This really doesn't have a modern precedent, so I don't think we can say zero chance about anything. And this isn't about arguing that a black swan event is technically possible; it's just about having no way to assess the situation in general.

I agree that his show will likely pick up where it left off, but there are a range of outcomes.
 
superrific said:
Didn't we agree, once upon a time, that there was essentially zero chance that the Supreme Court would give Trump broad immunity from criminal prosecution?

I'm just reluctant to assign any strong probabilities in a situation I know nothing about. This really doesn't have a modern precedent, so I don't think we can say zero chance about anything. And this isn't about arguing that a black swan event is technically possible; it's just about having no way to assess the situation in general.

I agree that his show will likely pick up where it left off, but there are a range of outcomes.
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My position was that there should be some protection for presidential decisions but that immunity was more of a civil concept and didn't make sense in the criminal context. But we did initially disagree about the issue, while ultimately agreeing that immunity was the wrong way to go -- at least semantically.

That said, I don't remember predicting what the SCOTUS would do. That is a dangerous business and I would not put a zero percent chance on basically any legal issue with this court.

But Kimmel is much, much more predictable than SCOTUS. His humor is very much Trump-based and he simply cannot and will not change his spots at this stage -- nor should he.
 
Calheel said:
My position was that there should be some protection for presidential decisions but that immunity was more of a civil concept and didn't make sense in the criminal context. But we did initially disagree about the issue, while ultimately agreeing that immunity was the wrong way to go -- at least semantically.

That said, I don't remember predicting what the SCOTUS would do. That is a dangerous business and I would not put a zero percent chance on basically any legal issue with this court.

But Kimmel is much, much more predictable than SCOTUS. His humor is very much Trump-based and he simply cannot and will not change his spots at this stage -- nor should he.
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Who knows. I don't remember what specifically different posters thought or didn't think. Most of us had gotten to the point where we weren't going to say "zero chance" about everything, but I think most lawyers did not anticipate them doing what they did.

It's not Kimmel I'm worried about. It's what ABC will let him do. I know what Kimmel wants to do.
 
superrific said:
Who knows. I don't remember what specifically different posters thought or didn't think. Most of us had gotten to the point where we weren't going to say "zero chance" about everything, but I think most lawyers did not anticipate them doing what they did.

It's not Kimmel I'm worried about. It's what ABC will let him do. I know what Kimmel wants to do.
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I think Kimmel has a lot of leverage. He has 21 million YouTube followers and could easily make a great living doing an internet-only show. The future is not broadcast TV. He isn't going to let ABC dictate content decisions.
 
I'm not a Kimmel fan, but I hope he comes back and continues his anti-Trump stuff, just to give a big, fat middle finger to Carr and Trump.
 
Calheel said:
Zero chance. He may possibly say that it looks like the killer was not a conservative, but I doubt he says that either.

If he does say that his initial comment was insensitive, he is the biggest wuss on the planet.
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his initial comment was actually very caring to the Kirk family.

This comment was 100% accurate that the Wright was trying to make sure that the world saw this is not one of theirs.

He'll be one of the leaders of the resistance if he does this correctly.
 
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