UNCMSinLS is a successful small business owner. I’d say his ability to think is high.
You, on the other hand, are a Trumplican.
Does Anyone Like Kamala?
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You, on the other hand, are a Trumplican.
EyeballKid
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What’s crazy is that such a large percentage of the general voting population has fallen prey to right-wing propaganda such that they believe in falsehoods like Haitian immigrants stealing people’s pets and eating them.
Objectively, there should be no contest. But it’s hard to “reach ordinary people” when so many of them are brainwashed by propaganda.
Did you vote for Hillary? Yes or no. Hillary or Trump?
Remember, he’s not in love with Trump……he was IN LOVE with DeSantis until Little Ron laid an egg…….then, he was IN LOVE, HEAD-OVER-HEELS in love, with Nikki Haley…..then she was dominated and expressed her fealty to Trump, as did DeSantis……
Now, the Democrats are forcing HeelYeah2012 to vote Trump for the THIRD-TIME-IN-A-ROW…..give him a right-wing Democrat and he’s all-in…..just kidding. He’s still voting Trump.
EyeballKid
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Nominated in accordance with the rules set forth by the party. They didn’t alter the rules in any way.
The irony of MAGA idiots whining about “democracy” while they support a candidate who sought to overturn a democratic election, and is again whipping up his supporters in a frenzy to reject any democratic election results that don’t favor him—well, it’s something to behold.
2016?
How do you feel about Trump and other Republicans and “conservatives” spreading lies about the aid and relief reaching Western North Carolina (and SW Virginia, Eastern Tennessee, N. Georgia, Georgia, Upstate South Carolina, and Florida)?
Your presidential choice (and his staff, family, and supporters) are spreading LIES about FEMA, the National Guard, local law enforcement, local fire departments, etc.
Do you support or condemn these lies?
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EyeballKid
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But Kamala is a commie/liberal/marxist/satanist who supports gender reassignment surgery for infants and abortion after the 9th month, so he has no choice but to vote for Trump.
CFordUNC
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I will answer the question put forth by the OP because I think it’s a fair one. But first I want to ask the Republicans/Trump voters on this thread/board an entirely serious, genuinely sincere question about which I’m legitimately curious in understanding.
Republicans: why are y’all so hellbent on inventing a world that none of us actually live in right now?
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the economy sucks. It doesn’t. It’s by far the strongest in the world by every single objective measure and every single metric.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that we are living in a crippling inflationary environment. We aren’t. The rate of inflation is exactly where we want it to be, and the way that you can know that is that the Fed just cut interest rates and will do so again at least once, if not twice, in the near future.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that crime is out of control. It isn’t. By virtually every metric, violent crime is at a decades-low.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the “border is wide open.” It isn’t. Border crossings are at a four-year low- when Donald Trump was in office- and dropping still.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the middle class is getting destroyed economically. It isn’t. Wages have been increasing, unemployment is at record lows, and consumer spending, spending on luxury items, spending on vacations, etc. is currently at an all-time high among middle income households.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the world is “less safe” now than it was when Donald Trump was in office. It isn’t. Our geopolitical alliances are stronger than they’ve been in decades and our geopolitical enemies- especially our primary one- has been majorly weakened militarily and economically.
Why do y’all lie about this stuff? It’s not like any of it is really subjective. Why are y’all so desperate to reside in some alternative timeline or universe where everything is so….bad….instead of the current real one where everything is so…good…by pretty much every objective standard. Just curious to know what y’all are thinking and your reasoning, that’s all. It’s completely totally fine that y’all don’t like Biden or Harris or even Democrats or whatever. I just don’t understand making up a completely false alternate reality to try to justify it to yourselves.
To answer the OP’s question, though, I do like Kamala Harris. I did not like her in 2019/2020. I did not know enough about her to like her during her VP tenure for most of the last 4 years. I didnt even like her when it became painfully obvious that Biden was going to have to be replaced on the right. But over the last 2 months I’ve grown to like her because I’ve been impressed at what an incredibly organized, efficient, and effective campaign she has run. I’m sure I don’t agree with her on every policy principle, but I agree with her on the biggest ones that count the most to me, and I think she has articulated them well. But much, much more so than any policy agreement is that I actually think she is a person of character, which I care very much about in elected officials. The Democratic Party is currently putting forth national candidates that much more align with both my policy preferences and my preferences for character; the Republican Party is not. I hope they will be able to do so again one day, because I would like to be able to vote for Republicans again one day.
Something on which I have prided myself since 2016, when I did cast of vote for Trump the first time, is my refusal to just tribally double down, and then triple down, on voting for Donald Trump in 2020 and now 2024. Trump showed himself to be manifestly unfit to be president while he was actually president, which was what solidified my decision to not vote for him a second time in 2020, and then after he was president he displayed that manifest unfitness one thousand fold. I actually feel really bad for the people who are casting a vote for Trump in 2024 for no other reason than he is the Republican nominee for president- there are a couple of them on this board, as an example. It is beyond certain that those folks do not actually believe that he belongs in the presidency again, and I would say that it is almost certain that they do not believe him to be a person of character or someone qualified to serve as commander-in-chief. I’ll even go a step further and say that I am almost certain that they do not actually believe that Kamala Harris’s policy proposals are bad or harmful- they just have to pretend to do so in order to try to mask their shame of voting for Trump for no other reason other than tribal party affiliation partisanship. At least the true MAGA’s that are voting for Trump are either genuinely ignorant enough, or sincerely nasty enough, to relish the opportunity to vote for Trump because they like who he is and they like what he stands for. The folks that have my pity are the ones who are going to vote for him despite disliking him and despite thinking that he is fit to be president – they are only voting for him because they haven’t been able to grow up past political party tribalism.
Republicans: why are y’all so hellbent on inventing a world that none of us actually live in right now?
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the economy sucks. It doesn’t. It’s by far the strongest in the world by every single objective measure and every single metric.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that we are living in a crippling inflationary environment. We aren’t. The rate of inflation is exactly where we want it to be, and the way that you can know that is that the Fed just cut interest rates and will do so again at least once, if not twice, in the near future.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that crime is out of control. It isn’t. By virtually every metric, violent crime is at a decades-low.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the “border is wide open.” It isn’t. Border crossings are at a four-year low- when Donald Trump was in office- and dropping still.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the middle class is getting destroyed economically. It isn’t. Wages have been increasing, unemployment is at record lows, and consumer spending, spending on luxury items, spending on vacations, etc. is currently at an all-time high among middle income households.
Y’all are hellbent on telling us that the world is “less safe” now than it was when Donald Trump was in office. It isn’t. Our geopolitical alliances are stronger than they’ve been in decades and our geopolitical enemies- especially our primary one- has been majorly weakened militarily and economically.
Why do y’all lie about this stuff? It’s not like any of it is really subjective. Why are y’all so desperate to reside in some alternative timeline or universe where everything is so….bad….instead of the current real one where everything is so…good…by pretty much every objective standard. Just curious to know what y’all are thinking and your reasoning, that’s all. It’s completely totally fine that y’all don’t like Biden or Harris or even Democrats or whatever. I just don’t understand making up a completely false alternate reality to try to justify it to yourselves.
To answer the OP’s question, though, I do like Kamala Harris. I did not like her in 2019/2020. I did not know enough about her to like her during her VP tenure for most of the last 4 years. I didnt even like her when it became painfully obvious that Biden was going to have to be replaced on the right. But over the last 2 months I’ve grown to like her because I’ve been impressed at what an incredibly organized, efficient, and effective campaign she has run. I’m sure I don’t agree with her on every policy principle, but I agree with her on the biggest ones that count the most to me, and I think she has articulated them well. But much, much more so than any policy agreement is that I actually think she is a person of character, which I care very much about in elected officials. The Democratic Party is currently putting forth national candidates that much more align with both my policy preferences and my preferences for character; the Republican Party is not. I hope they will be able to do so again one day, because I would like to be able to vote for Republicans again one day.
Something on which I have prided myself since 2016, when I did cast of vote for Trump the first time, is my refusal to just tribally double down, and then triple down, on voting for Donald Trump in 2020 and now 2024. Trump showed himself to be manifestly unfit to be president while he was actually president, which was what solidified my decision to not vote for him a second time in 2020, and then after he was president he displayed that manifest unfitness one thousand fold. I actually feel really bad for the people who are casting a vote for Trump in 2024 for no other reason than he is the Republican nominee for president- there are a couple of them on this board, as an example. It is beyond certain that those folks do not actually believe that he belongs in the presidency again, and I would say that it is almost certain that they do not believe him to be a person of character or someone qualified to serve as commander-in-chief. I’ll even go a step further and say that I am almost certain that they do not actually believe that Kamala Harris’s policy proposals are bad or harmful- they just have to pretend to do so in order to try to mask their shame of voting for Trump for no other reason other than tribal party affiliation partisanship. At least the true MAGA’s that are voting for Trump are either genuinely ignorant enough, or sincerely nasty enough, to relish the opportunity to vote for Trump because they like who he is and they like what he stands for. The folks that have my pity are the ones who are going to vote for him despite disliking him and despite thinking that he is fit to be president – they are only voting for him because they haven’t been able to grow up past political party tribalism.
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CFordUNC
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How so and in what way? Genuinely curious, not asking sarcastically.
Personally, I can’t see how someone who has served as vice president of the United States of America for the last four can be considered not ready to govern. Any doubts about her ability to govern should be put to rest by virtue of the fact that she has been the second-in- line chief executive for what has been an objectively highly successful administration over the last four years. Is there any vice president who has subsequently run for president who has not been ready to govern?
I forgot.
Thanks for clarifying that……I’ll now support Trump, Robinson, and anyone with a Magic R.
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Think she's light on foreign policy, which is a good chunk of the issues you face as President. And prior to being VP, her experience as a senator was limited. The strong part of her experience is her two stints as AG.
I'm not sure being VP automatically qualifies you on the readiness scale. Dan Quayle comes to mind; he was by no means ready to be President (think he was the biggest lightweight we've had as VP). If McCain would of pulled off a miracle, we would have had the thoroughly useless Sarah Palin as VP.
Having said that, I strongly unequivocally support Kamala over Trump.
I'm not sure being VP automatically qualifies you on the readiness scale. Dan Quayle comes to mind; he was by no means ready to be President (think he was the biggest lightweight we've had as VP). If McCain would of pulled off a miracle, we would have had the thoroughly useless Sarah Palin as VP.
Having said that, I strongly unequivocally support Kamala over Trump.
POTUS doesn’t govern without an Administration……with one recent exception.
Harris’s Administration will be filled with Obama and Biden alums. Vetted and competent as a rule.
Trump’s Administration would be the exception…..run by a petulant child with no competent adults in the room.
I give little credence to the idea that being VPOTUS prepares one for being POTUS.
And, I like Kamala (love my “ , la “ cap!).
In my career, I work with attorneys extensively many of whom I don't have a long history with. In my experience with high performing attorneys of all genders, regardless of whether or not the attorney is super detailed oriented (the baseline for most all attorneys is some level of detail orientation) or who operates with a 10,000 foot view approach, they do not suffer fools or incompetents very well. High performing attorneys tend to have (and demand) a high performing supporting structure of associates/partners/support staff/investigators/experts. It can come across as cold or 'hard to work with', but someone who passes that eye test isn't going to have the same impression as someone who does not.
Whenever I see a complaint about someone being hard to work with, usually a complaint against a woman, my perception is that the complainant is someone who couldn't pass that standard for high performing support staff. Nothing wrong with that, they just didn't measure up in that support role. They might be brilliant or great in a different role but cannot perform in a secondary role. Square peg/round hole etc.
Kamala Harris reminds me in many aspects of high performing female attorneys that I have worked with. I wasn't a supporter in 2020 and I thought she had limited appeal/charisma. I have paid limited attention to her in the 4 years as VP because the VP doesn't have any real power unless POTUS grants it. Since Biden withdrew, I have been impressed with Kamala Harris' positions and personality. I think she will be an excellent President and I look forward to voting for her, but there will be people even brilliant people, who won't be able to work with someone with her style. The same is true of every person who ever sat behind that desk in the Oval Office (including Trump). Presidents, like attorneys, can be very good on their own but the greats tend to have a great support staff.
Whenever I see a complaint about someone being hard to work with, usually a complaint against a woman, my perception is that the complainant is someone who couldn't pass that standard for high performing support staff. Nothing wrong with that, they just didn't measure up in that support role. They might be brilliant or great in a different role but cannot perform in a secondary role. Square peg/round hole etc.
Kamala Harris reminds me in many aspects of high performing female attorneys that I have worked with. I wasn't a supporter in 2020 and I thought she had limited appeal/charisma. I have paid limited attention to her in the 4 years as VP because the VP doesn't have any real power unless POTUS grants it. Since Biden withdrew, I have been impressed with Kamala Harris' positions and personality. I think she will be an excellent President and I look forward to voting for her, but there will be people even brilliant people, who won't be able to work with someone with her style. The same is true of every person who ever sat behind that desk in the Oval Office (including Trump). Presidents, like attorneys, can be very good on their own but the greats tend to have a great support staff.
Who was picked to be VP since 1980:
- ‘80 - Mondale, Bush - both good
- ‘84 - Bush, Farraro (Geraldine was a “not ready for prime time” pick)
- ‘88 - Bentsen (boring, likely could have stepped into the Presidency); Quayle - thanks Palin and Vance for making him look good
- ‘92 - Gore, Quayle - potato/potatoe is still the GOP pick; Gore is still boring and arrogant; could have been POTUS
- ‘96 - Gore, Kemp - Gore is still Gore; Kemp would have tried to install more supply-side economics; but, he wasn’t Dan Wq
It’s not a question of whether or not she’ll put together a good and competent team……the Clinton, Obama, Biden alums will determine that she puts together a good team.
Trump? Trump alums and the worst of Dubya’s people.
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Not voting for Trump is the easy part.