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DOGE Catch-All

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ColdBlueSteel said:
So how

If true, raises more questions. Why so many social security numbers without birth dates?
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Where do you get “so many” from? I didn’t see that from the article. Just an explanation of how it happened. Are you saying 10’s or 100’s or 1000’s or even 10000’s??
 
DiehardHeelFan said:
Where do you get “so many” from? I didn’t see that from the article. Just an explanation of how it happened. Are you saying 10’s or 100’s or 1000’s or even 10000’s??
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Implied - “You’d think that those bright MAGAheads would notice that ALL those 150 year olds have THE SAME BIRTHDAY: May 20, 1875. ”
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
If true, raises more questions. Why so many social security numbers without birth dates? Many different versions of COBOL? Undocumented workers with fake SSNs?
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1. Data files are never clean. It used to do database work and every single data file I ever saw had missing entries or fields. I don't know how or why, and I'm not sure anyone really does -- not in general at least. It's just the way the world is. Maybe newer systems don't have that problem, but these systems are not new.

2. Very well could be fake SSNs, but not necessarily. Could also be employer IDs that were mistakenly input into the system.
 
superrific said:
1. Data files are never clean. It used to do database work and every single data file I ever saw had missing entries or fields. I don't know how or why, and I'm not sure anyone really does -- not in general at least. It's just the way the world is. Maybe newer systems don't have that problem, but these systems are not new.

2. Very well could be fake SSNs, but not necessarily. Could also be employer IDs that were mistakenly input into the system.
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Newer systems certainly have many missing fields, even fields that are ostensibly supposed to be populated for every entry. Sometimes the data just isn’t available.
 
superrific said:
1. Data files are never clean. It used to do database work and every single data file I ever saw had missing entries or fields. I don't know how or why, and I'm not sure anyone really does -- not in general at least. It's just the way the world is. Maybe newer systems don't have that problem, but these systems are not new.

2. Very well could be fake SSNs, but not necessarily. Could also be employer IDs that were mistakenly input into the system.
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1. Why aren’t these systems new and as capable as the HR and payroll systems at my 1,500 employee company?

15 years ago American Express was calling me about a potential fraudulent transaction within a day of the charge being made.

Not like SSNs are all that important I guess
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
1. Why aren’t these systems new and as capable as the HR and payroll systems at my 1,500 employee company?

15 years ago American Express was calling me about a potential fraudulent transaction within a day of the charge being made.

Not like SSNs are all that important I guess
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Why do you continue to ask diversionary questions?
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
1. Why aren’t these systems new and as capable as the HR and payroll systems at my 1,500 employee company?

15 years ago American Express was calling me about a potential fraudulent transaction within a day of the charge being made.

Not like SSNs are all that important I guess
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Why can’t rocket scientists (teenage hackers) understand coding date formats?
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
1. Why aren’t these systems new and as capable as the HR and payroll systems at my 1,500 employee company?

15 years ago American Express was calling me about a potential fraudulent transaction within a day of the charge being made.

Not like SSNs are all that important I guess
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I think using your AmEx requires less identity verification than collecting Social Security.
 
wmheel1287 said:
Any mechanic can adjust a carb. If you mean the folks that work on modern cars, they are techs...most definitely not mechanics.
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You’re right. Allow me a mulligan?

Probably the same reason the various auto repair shops I patronize can’t adjust a carburetor.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I've said it elsewhere and I'll repeat it here. Like the rest of the Republican Party, he is in far too deep to turn back. You think folks like Lindsey Graham don't know exactly how bad Trump is? Once you mount that dragon, there is no going back.
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Thing is, this isn't Trump, it's Musk and Thiel/Andreasen et al. Republican politicians really have not a clue how far they will go now that they have their hooks into the system.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
1. Why aren’t these systems new and as capable as the HR and payroll systems at my 1,500 employee company?

15 years ago American Express was calling me about a potential fraudulent transaction within a day of the charge being made.

Not like SSNs are all that important I guess
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Your 1500 person company? Are you fucking serious? That's literally 1/1000th of the federal government in head count alone. The government's data needs and systems are probably 1000x as complicated.

Banks run on legacy systems also. The reason they aren't new is that there's no need for them to be. The federal government's payment system is incredibly mission-critical to, you know, the entire world economy. You can't afford to let it go down because you're trying to put in a new system and something goes wrong.

Everything works now. You put in a new system, and maybe that system doesn't talk very well to a different legacy system. There might not be great code documentation because when these things were programmed in the 70s, documentation was much worse for a number of reasons. There might be hidden logic jammed into a subroutine somewhere.

You don't fuck around with all that unless there's a really good reason to do so. And ColdBlueSteel's preferences are not really good reasons. Missing birthdates is also very unlikely to be worth creating bugs in the payment systems.

Again, it's not just the government. Private banks, too. Big corporations.
 
Due to bank mergers and lack of downtime, bank systems are essentially a hodgepodge of various mainframe systems built in the 70s. There absolutely is a need to upgrade those systems, but 24/7 banking makes that very difficult to do.
 
ColdBlueSteel said:
Well, is it true they found social security payments going to a 150-year-old?
Honest question, have no idea what’s fact
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No it was a misunderstanding of how COBOL works — a null set (0 for lack of a date in a date field) defaults to 150 years.
 
nycfan said:
No it was a misunderstanding of how COBOL works — a null set (0 for lack of a date in a date field) defaults to 150 years.
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In addition, DOGE is consistently incorrectly claiming that because the check-paying function at Treasury, which relies on the paying agency to confirm a payment is authorized and pays it without further diligence based on that authorization, doesn’t include or cross-check information on a payee, no one has it or is cross-checking it. Which is false.
 
IRS should say that if DOGE gets the files, then the IRS will publish everyone's tax returns for anyone to view. that will stop these plutocrat Madame DeFarges cold. DOGE is intended to make it to where billionaires and other high net worth individuals pay almost no taxes. I think Peter Thiel said people of genius (like himself) should not have to pay taxes.
 
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