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Core inflation rises .4% in Feb, higher than expected. That takes the 12 month inflation to 2.8%. And March and April will be the first months we truly begin to see effects of tariffs.

Dow down over 700, 1.75%
S&P down over 100, 2%
NASDAQ down almost 500, 2.8%

Let the good times roll...
 
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That post by Heather Long on last page is fairly prescient, about how people are watching prices more closely now than in 2017/2018 the last time Trump toyed with tariffs.

But hell, 2017/2018? Try 1805 and 1900. Newt Gingrich was praising the effectiveness of tariffs under Jefferson and McKinley. He even stated that we didn't even need internal taxes under Jefferson because he used tariffs. This is where Trump is getting his tariff ideas.

I'd say our economy and government are completely different now. Hell, they didn't even have electricity back then. A majority of the population was self sustaining, living off the land, farming, and building their own houses. The government was just beginning and there was not much of an economy yet.

These people live in lala land.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
That post by Heather Long on last page is fairly prescient, about how people are watching prices more closely now than in 2017/2018 the last time Trump toyed with tariffs.

But hell, 2017/2018? Try 1805 and 1900. Newt Gingrich was praising the effectiveness of tariffs under Jefferson and McKinley. He even stated that we didn't even need internal taxes under Jefferson because he used tariffs. This is where Trump is getting his tariff ideas.

I'd say our economy and government are completely different now. Hell, they didn't even have electricity back then. A majority of the population was self sustaining, living off the land, farming, and building their own houses. The government was just beginning and there was not much of an economy yet.

These people live in lala land.
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Is it lala land? Ie do they actually believe it? I don’t think they do. I think they think it’s a logical propaganda gambit to have their base thinking about a very white, very Christian, and very segregated “better time”, all the while concentrating socioeconomic power and resources through the same destructive mechanisms they claim are beneficial.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
That post by Heather Long on last page is fairly prescient, about how people are watching prices more closely now than in 2017/2018 the last time Trump toyed with tariffs.

But hell, 2017/2018? Try 1805 and 1900. Newt Gingrich was praising the effectiveness of tariffs under Jefferson and McKinley. He even stated that we didn't even need internal taxes under Jefferson because he used tariffs. This is where Trump is getting his tariff ideas.

I'd say our economy and government are completely different now. Hell, they didn't even have electricity back then. A majority of the population was self sustaining, living off the land, farming, and building their own houses. The government was just beginning and there was not much of an economy yet.

These people live in lala land.
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I think Trump is getting his tariff ideas from McKinley, because he said that only consequential presidents get shot, thus requiring him to explain McKinley. Suddenly McKinley became the greatest president ever.

The stuff from Gingrich and Andreesen and others about the great wonder of the Gilded Age economy and public finance is, in my view, retconning Trump's sudden affection for an assassinated president.
 
Hey Trump -- this is going to happen every time. The markets don't like tariffs. It's not foreign agitators. Every time you put in tariffs, this will happen. And every time you lift them, the market will respond positively (though on balance likely net negative).
 
That is exactly what is happening Super. The markets had a decent partial recovery, and I think a 4 or 5 successive positive days little rally. That came right after Trump softened his rhetoric on tariffs last week into the start of this week. "Reciprocal tariffs may not be as harsh as the tariffs we face, it would be way too high, that's how bad we are getting screwed, and I am a much nicer guy." And he also threw out that he was still in negotiations with Mexico and Canada, implying he may pull those. Then the comment about lighter tariffs on China, so that an American tech buddy can buy Tik Tok (what a ridiculous reason to drop tariffs if you believe in them at the level he does.)

Early next week will be VERY telling and will have a major impact on the markets one way or the other. Remember, April 2nd is the day of reciprocal tariffs and his "Day of Liberation for America."

I know you said he could not back down on that after hyping it so much. I'm not saying he will (he might) but I certainly believe he could, unlike you. He can do ANYTHING 180 degrees either way on any subject, no matter what he recently said, and his cult is 100% behind either one. Because "Trump is the greatest ever" and those simpletons don't understand anything.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
I know you said he could not back down on that after hyping it so much. I'm not saying he will (he might) but I certainly believe he could, unlike you. He can do ANYTHING 180 degrees either way on any subject, no matter what he recently said, and his cult is 100% behind either one. Because "Trump is the greatest ever" and those simpletons don't understand anything.
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I didn't mean he couldn't, as in he's physically or mentally not capable. He clearly is. I'm just saying that it makes him look super weak
 
superrific said:
Hey Trump -- this is going to happen every time. The markets don't like tariffs. It's not foreign agitators. Every time you put in tariffs, this will happen. And every time you lift them, the market will respond positively (though on balance likely net negative).
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Would be interesting to know if anyone is getting a heads up on what the rhetoric for the day will be on tariffs.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
That is exactly what is happening Super. The markets had a decent partial recovery, and I think a 4 or 5 successive positive days little rally. That came right after Trump softened his rhetoric on tariffs last week into the start of this week. "Reciprocal tariffs may not be as harsh as the tariffs we face, it would be way too high, that's how bad we are getting screwed, and I am a much nicer guy." And he also threw out that he was still in negotiations with Mexico and Canada, implying he may pull those. Then the comment about lighter tariffs on China, so that an American tech buddy can buy Tik Tok (what a ridiculous reason to drop tariffs if you believe in them at the level he does.)

Early next week will be VERY telling and will have a major impact on the markets one way or the other. Remember, April 2nd is the day of reciprocal tariffs and his "Day of Liberation for America."

I know you said he could not back down on that after hyping it so much. I'm not saying he will (he might) but I certainly believe he could, unlike you. He can do ANYTHING 180 degrees either way on any subject, no matter what he recently said, and his cult is 100% behind either one. Because "Trump is the greatest ever" and those simpletons don't understand anything.
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Ah, the "Day of Liberation" ... from what and to what? I guess it depends of one's perspective.

I see three possibilities with this shifting economic policy: 1) Trump and friends are trading the inevitable dips and gains: 2) Trump is suffering from dementia; and/or 3) Trump is a Russian agent elevated to destroy the United States from within.

The Navy Comes Through Cause GIF by Warner Archive

The problem is that at some point, the shifting/waffling gets baked into the economy and a "boy who cried wolf" skepticism set in. Then, nothing would work because no one will believe anything that comes out of Trump's McDonald's pie hole. That's when the real hard times are likely to set in.

Enjoy the ride, people!
 
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Would be interesting to know if anyone is getting a heads up on what the rhetoric for the day will be on tariffs.
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I sort of doubt it. I don't think the constant flip-flopping is about corruption. I think it's about Trump being completely unable to accept that the market disagrees with him as to the effects of tariffs.
 
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Rolling Consumer Boycotts Stalk Amazon, Target And Tesla

Forbes’ expert contributors consider how renewed consumer activism may affect retail giants and could give small businesses new opportunities to win customers.
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Consumer activists have launched rolling economic boycotts of Target, Amazon and other recognizable companies in recent weeks to protest DEI rollbacks and policies seemingly aimed at appeasing the Trump administration. The outcome of these campaigns hinges on how deeply the companies feel their effects and whether consumers can find suitable alternatives.

The People's Union USA, a consumer advocacy group organizing many of the boycotts, has set its sights this week on Nestlé, for what the group's founder John Schwarz says is the company's failure to address allegations of toxic ingredients and unethical business practices. This action follows calls to boycott retailers Amazon and Target for rollbacks to their diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives.


Nestlé did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


Meanwhile, anger toward the electric vehicle maker Tesla has boiled over as public antipathy toward its CEO, Elon Musk, seems to have grown since he became the Trump administration's chief cost-cutter.


These consumer initiatives may indicate the start of a "Great Rejection," which is gaining momentum online to stop spending on nonessential goods, Greg Petro, Forbes Investing contributor, says.
 
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Walmart CEO Doug McMillon says customers are exhibiting 'stressed behaviors'—and it's already tanked the company's valuation by $22 billion

The retailer’s stock dropped on the news that consumer confidence had hit a 12-year low.
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  • Walmart’s market cap dropped by $22 billion after news broke Tuesday that consumer confidence in the U.S. plummeted to a 12-year low. CEO Doug McMillon had just said last month he’d noticed “stressed” behavior from consumers who were more budget-constrained.
Consumer confidence is waning—and it’s hurting retailers big and small. It has even come for the world’s largest retailer, Walmart, which lost nearly $22 billion off its valuation on Tuesday.
 
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