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mpaer said:
And I assume Cali will not change State requirements-and if carmakers need to meet their requirements.........
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Eh, about that. State standards are preempted by federal law in this area, but the Clean Air Act has a complex carveout specially for California, because CA needed stronger rules than the rest of the country because of LA smog. Except the carveout itself is sort of a carveout. Technically, it's a provision allowing a waiver, but the waiver must issue unless certain findings are made -- and that is a conceptual thicket. It's under attack in the law and I do not expect CA's position to win. Just because of who has the last word and how they decide cases.
 
nycfan said:
“… But the Cabinet secretary assured that those figures will “rebalance and they’ll regrow,” claiming “this is just a near-term event” and that “next year, the numbers are going to be fantastic.”

He also reiterated his prior prediction that U.S. GDP will rise above 4% in 2026.…”
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"Next year" is the new "in two weeks".
 
I think the delayed September PCE numbers come out this morning along with the Michigan consumer sentiment report.

That could provide a window into what we will see once the data finally catch up to October and November.
 
nycfan said:


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I'm not sure what effect Trump expects this to have, other than an opportunity to blow his hole. It is my understanding that US car companies are not able to make positive margins on small cars, so they don't make them. Hence, Ford decided to stop making and cars not named Mustang. I suppose the actual reason could be that do they make margins on cars, but MUCH better margins on trucks due to tariffs. However, if that were the case, I would think they would have made that move long ago, because truck tariffs have been in place for years. Unless this "approval" includes subsidies, I dont think it moves the needle, sorta like "drill baby, drill."
 
Yeah, nobody needs approval from Trump to make any type of car. Maybe there are waivers needed from environmental regulations in some cases, but those are for things like Cybertrucks and big vehicles.
 
superrific said:
Yeah, nobody needs approval from Trump to make any type of car. Maybe there are waivers needed from environmental regulations in some cases, but those are for things like Cybertrucks and big vehicles.
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Pretty sure there are safety (crash test) standards to be met (for now). It takes right much more engineering a square inch for a small car to meet them. Something about mass, etc.
 
finesse said:
Pretty sure there are safety (crash test) standards to be met (for now). It takes right much more engineering a square inch for a small car to meet them. Something about mass, etc.
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Technically, mass makes it harder for the vehicle to pass a test. If you have two vehicles with identical size, the heavier one will be harder to stop safely in a crash.

The actual issue is geometry. Heavy cars tend to have more space in front of the driver, and so more material that can offer crumple-based dissipation of force. But let's say you have a passenger car with 2 tons of shit in the trunk. That is super-dangerous.
 
superrific said:
Technically, mass makes it harder for the vehicle to pass a test. If you have two vehicles with identical size, the heavier one will be harder to stop safely in a crash.

The actual issue is geometry. Heavy cars tend to have more space in front of the driver, and so more material that can offer crumple-based dissipation of force. But let's say you have a passenger car with 2 tons of shit in the trunk. That is super-dangerous.
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The engineering target isn’t stopping, it’s surviving. Stopping is easy if the driver is attentive and has a decent reaction time. It’s the other driver, and what they’re piloting, you have to worry about.
 
BlooVooDoo said:
The engineering target isn’t stopping, it’s surviving. Stopping is easy if the driver is attentive and has a decent reaction time. It’s the other driver, and what they’re piloting, you have to worry about.
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I meant stop after impact. I guess there are two tests -- one is the crash against a wall (which models a one car collision) and a crash against another vehicle (I don't know if there's a test for that specifically).

I'd have to do the physics equations to see how mass factors into the second, as there are countervailing issues. But I was just nitpicking for no real purpose anyway, so I'll drop it.
 

What Are the NHTSA Crash Tests?​

  • Frontal Crash Test: To test structural integrity and the likelihood and nature of passenger injury in a head-on collision, the vehicle is crashed into a fixed barrier at 35 mph. A larger adult dummy is arranged in the driver’s seat, with a smaller adult dummy in the passenger seat. Injury evaluations include the head, neck, chest, and legs.
  • Side Barrier Crash Test: This test is engineered to simulate another car T-boning the test car on the driver’s side in an intersection. A 3,015-pound moving barrier rams into the stationary test vehicle’s driver’s side at 38.5 mph. The test evaluates a larger adult dummy in the driver’s seat and a smaller adult dummy in the seat behind the driver for head, chest, abdomen, and pelvis injuries.
  • Side Pole Crash Test: This test simulates a vehicle skidding sideways into a telephone pole. At a 75-degree angle, the testers pull the subject vehicle sideways into roughly a 10-inch-diameter pole at 20 mph. The impact occurs at the driver’s seating position. A small adult dummy in the driver’s seat is evaluated for head, chest, lower spine, abdomen, and pelvis injuries.
  • Rollover Resistance Test: Not a crash test at all; this scenario uses a measurement known as the Static Stability Factor to determine how top-heavy a vehicle is. Or, in other words, how likely it is to tip over during a severe driving maneuver.
 
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