Election legal battles & fraud claims

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korgguy1971 said:
This is a Roger Stone special right here, I'd be willing to wager. Remember - he's still out there, along with the other reptiles Manafort and Bannon. That fucker needs to go away, even more than Trump.

ETA: "go away" = to prison, not dead. Though I would not at all be sad if either of them were no longer alive.

ETA: "no longer alive" = by natural causes of course; not advocating for foul play at all.

Jesus, I should prolly take a remedial course on writing/composition.
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Don’t feel so bad korg. I’ve read a lot of well written posts since Rock started this site. However, ain’t none of us Ernest Hemingway.
 
rodoheel said:

Not good for optics, but probably will not affect much in Virginia.
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It will take a while to fix what Trump did to the Supreme Court. This won't impact anything, but it's a bad sign for what the court will do if election issues arise over the next couple of months. I held out hope for a long time that Roberts might be a voice of sanity, but it appears he's been dragged down by the rest of the conservative bloc.
 
lawtig02 said:
It will take a while to fix what Trump did to the Supreme Court. This won't impact anything, but it's a bad sign for what the court will do if election issues arise over the next couple of months. I held out hope for a long time that Roberts might be a voice of sanity, but it appears he's been dragged down by the rest of the conservative bloc.
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I don't really think they'll pull Roberts (and hopefully not ACB either) along for any of the "stop the seal" after-the fact challenges that failed last time. Of course what remains to be seen is what new legal strategies the Trump campaign will come up with to challenge the results and how those might come out.
 
lawtig02 said:
It will take a while to fix what Trump did to the Supreme Court. This won't impact anything, but it's a bad sign for what the court will do if election issues arise over the next couple of months. I held out hope for a long time that Roberts might be a voice of sanity, but it appears he's been dragged down by the rest of the conservative bloc.
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If Harris wins, it could happen reasonably quickly. Alito and Thomas might not like the scrutiny they will be under. That alone will move the court considerably and lack of cover might push Roberts back toward the center. I'm sure their version of amicus curiae will provide Thomas and Alito great comfort and support but they might pretend to a legacy.
 
finesse said:
If Harris wins, it could happen reasonably quickly. Alito and Thomas might not like the scrutiny they will be under. That alone will move the court considerably and lack of cover might push Roberts back toward the center. I'm sure their version of amicus curiae will provide Thomas and Alito great comfort and support but they might pretend to a legacy.
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If you are suggesting that Alito or Thomas will resign with Kamala as president, then I can say with very high certainty that your prediction will be false.

Those guys aren't leaving until they die or there's a Republican to replace them.
 
rodoheel said:

Not good for optics, but probably will not affect much in Virginia.
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My favorite part of the article, at the end:

"Because the Supreme Court offered no explanation for its decision, it’s not clear which of Virginia’s arguments were persuasive."

I know exactly which of Virginia's arguments were persuasive. None of them. They didn't need to be. The case was decided on its caption.
 
SCOTUS gave the 2000 election to GWB

If given the opportunity, SCOTUS will give the 2024 election to Trump
 
superrific said:
If you are suggesting that Alito or Thomas will resign with Kamala as president, then I can say with very high certainty that your prediction will be false.

Those guys aren't leaving until they die or there's a Republican to replace them.
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Oh, I never predict anything. I have some expertise in carpentry and bridge and virtually nothing else.

However, I am suggesting that if Harris wins and midterms in a couple of years suggest that the political tides are really turning, they might consider it rather than face public scandal. They are always going to be rightwing heroes but that might not be all they want to be. I don't think either is shy on ego so they really might not to want to go out like that. I don't know that there is one lurking but I'm confident that ,in that scenario, they're are going to be looking.

So, basically, just a wild ass guess.
 
heelinhell said:
SCOTUS gave the 2000 election to GWB

If given the opportunity, SCOTUS will give the 2024 election to Trump
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It was given the opportunity in 2020 and declined to go Trump's way.

Not saying the justices don't have their hands on the scale in favor of Trump. Just that the claim has to be at least not bat shit crazy.
 
Calheel said:
It was given the opportunity in 2020 and declined to go Trump's way.

Not saying the justices don't have their hands on the scale in favor of Trump. Just that the claim has to be at least not bat shit crazy.
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Not sure you're right about the BSC part. Entering this stay is pretty BSC. District court made factual findings. Appeals court unanimously affirms. SCOTUS stays the district court's order without explanation, for no apparent reason.

This bodes very poorly because there's an important case from the PA Supreme Court that is being appealed to SCOTUS. The Pubs want to use the Moore v Harper theory that "egregious" errors from state courts can give rise to federal court intervention. Is that ruling from PA Supreme Court remotely egregious in that way? It is not, not even close. Will Alito and co see it that way? I do not think so. I have a feeling that they are going to decide every case in Trump's favor.
 
finesse said:
Oh, I never predict anything. I have some expertise in carpentry and bridge and virtually nothing else.

However, I am suggesting that if Harris wins and midterms in a couple of years suggest that the political tides are really turning, they might consider it rather than face public scandal. They are always going to be rightwing heroes but that might not be all they want to be. I don't think either is shy on ego so they really might not to want to go out like that. I don't know that there is one lurking but I'm confident that ,in that scenario, they're are going to be looking.
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I can tell you with great confidence that Thomas is not going anywhere with a Kamala presidency. There have been some rumblings around Alito wanting to retire, but he wouldn't do so under Kamala's watch unless it was a medical cause that literally made it impossible for him to continue. And even then he might stick around.

They are going to have to die.
 
superrific said:
Not sure you're right about the BSC part. Entering this stay is pretty BSC. District court made factual findings. Appeals court unanimously affirms. SCOTUS stays the district court's order without explanation, for no apparent reason.

This bodes very poorly because there's an important case from the PA Supreme Court that is being appealed to SCOTUS. The Pubs want to use the Moore v Harper theory that "egregious" errors from state courts can give rise to federal court intervention. Is that ruling from PA Supreme Court remotely egregious in that way? It is not, not even close. Will Alito and co see it that way? I do not think so. I have a feeling that they are going to decide every case in Trump's favor.
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They didn’t in 2020. I mean they are four years closer to retirement now, but I don’t think that gets a very big “co” in the “Alito and co.”
 
Calheel said:
It was given the opportunity in 2020 and declined to go Trump's way.

Not saying the justices don't have their hands on the scale in favor of Trump. Just that the claim has to be at least not bat shit crazy.
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My recollection is that Gorsuch, Thomas, Alito, and Kavanaugh would have gone Trump's way in the PA case, but Roberts went with the liberal justices and so the vote was 4-4 which upheld the PA Supreme Court decision

I think there wasn't a 9th justice because ACB had not been confirmed. How would she have voted ?
 
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