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EXIT POLLS & TURNOUT DATA - The Red Shift
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HeelYeah2012
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Great insight from Nate Silver there. He’s right.
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But they do follow politics, they just follow listening to idiots on social media.
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“… Trump won Dearborn, where more than half the population is of Middle Eastern or North African descent, by capturing 42 percent of votes to Harris’s 36 percent; the Green Party’s Jill Stein also took a substantial 18 percent of the vote in the city. In neighborhoods within the city where Arab Americans are the majority, such as eastern Dearborn, Harris performed even worse.
For example, in 2020, Biden beat Trump in eastern Dearborn by nearly 10,000 votes. On Election Day this year, the Detroit Free Press reports that Trump defeated Harris in eastern Dearborn by nearly 3,700 votes, accumulating 45 percent of the vote in 2024 after receiving only 18 percent in 2020 resulting in a 27 percent swing toward Trump that demonstrates how the Democrats’ refusal to restrain Israel as it destroyed Gaza likely pushed Arab Americans to the right.
Election results in the state came down to many factors—but a crucial one was who could make the biggest inroads with the Arab American community. The Democrats’ failure is clearest in Michigan’s 12th Congressional District, which includes Dearborn and Detroit and is represented by Palestinian American Rep. Rashida Tlaib. Preliminary results indicate that she won her reelection bid by nearly 161,000 votes against Republican challenger James Hooper—more than double Trump’s entire statewide margin. …”
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To be clear, her district is more than Dearborn, so would need better data to figure out how many voted for Tlaib and Trump.
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“… Dearborn Heights’ independent mayor, Bill Bazzi—a Muslim immigrant from Lebanon who served in the United States Marines—also supported Trump. In an interview with Politico, Bazzi expressed his anger toward Harris’s campaign: “My main objective is about peace and economic prosperity for our country. But what really pushed me over the edge is when Kamala Harris brought Liz Cheney to our backyard.”
… “I just had a flashback to when her dad [former Vice President Dick Cheney] started the war in Iraq. … So now you bring a Cheney to our backyard, whose family started a war, and now we’re in a war,” Bazzi told Politico, adding, That’s when I was like, enough of this! I decided to go forward with a public endorsement after I chatted with President Trump to find out his platform. He’s a man of peace.”
… Harris’s choice to campaign with the Cheneys was widely perceived as appealing to a pro-Iraq War constituency that no longer exists—adding to the sense that Harris was a candidate out of her depth politically.
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However, despite their disdain for the president-elect, some voters in Michigan believe that the conditions in Gaza and South Lebanon cannot get any worse regardless of who is the next U.S. president.
Saba Saed, a Palestinian American who voted for Stein, echoed a similar sentiment to Foreign Policy, expressing her indifference toward the idea that Trump will exacerbate Palestinian and Lebanese suffering any further: “It’s hard to care when they’re clearly just lying [about Gaza and South Lebanon]. I don’t know anymore. What’s worse than what’s going on right now in Gaza?” Saed asked.“
“… Dearborn Heights’ independent mayor, Bill Bazzi—a Muslim immigrant from Lebanon who served in the United States Marines—also supported Trump. In an interview with Politico, Bazzi expressed his anger toward Harris’s campaign: “My main objective is about peace and economic prosperity for our country. But what really pushed me over the edge is when Kamala Harris brought Liz Cheney to our backyard.”
… “I just had a flashback to when her dad [former Vice President Dick Cheney] started the war in Iraq. … So now you bring a Cheney to our backyard, whose family started a war, and now we’re in a war,” Bazzi told Politico, adding, That’s when I was like, enough of this! I decided to go forward with a public endorsement after I chatted with President Trump to find out his platform. He’s a man of peace.”
… Harris’s choice to campaign with the Cheneys was widely perceived as appealing to a pro-Iraq War constituency that no longer exists—adding to the sense that Harris was a candidate out of her depth politically.
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However, despite their disdain for the president-elect, some voters in Michigan believe that the conditions in Gaza and South Lebanon cannot get any worse regardless of who is the next U.S. president.
Saba Saed, a Palestinian American who voted for Stein, echoed a similar sentiment to Foreign Policy, expressing her indifference toward the idea that Trump will exacerbate Palestinian and Lebanese suffering any further: “It’s hard to care when they’re clearly just lying [about Gaza and South Lebanon]. I don’t know anymore. What’s worse than what’s going on right now in Gaza?” Saed asked.“
sringwal
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And guess where most younger generations are going to for their news?
CallMeTyler
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This is exactly why American suffering needs to be pronounced under Trump. Without true consequences, people will never acknowledge the mistakes of putting Trump in office. For too long they've taken every single freedom for granted.
The culling must occur in the most prolific and painful ways possible before this country gets it.
The culling must occur in the most prolific and painful ways possible before this country gets it.
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In 2004, we suffered due to wars. What was the result of that election? In 2020, yep we suffered and threw Trump out. But four years later where are we now? What you are talking about is a kind of "reactionary politics" as the way to win the Presidency. Otherwords, they screw up and we win. That's not a fundamental way of winning in my opinion.
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HeelYeah2012
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I'm floored that you guys don't understand why Arab Americans didn't fall in line behind Biden/Harris.
I'm floored that they thought the alternative was better. FAFO
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CFordUNC
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Whomst among us hasn’t voted for a guy whose campaign promise was to “let Bibi do whatever the hell he wants” as it pertains to Gaza/Palestinians, and whose first act as president – elect is to appoint an ambassador to Israel who says that Palestine isn’t a real thing!? Shocker! The guy who told you his goal it to build a Trump Tower on the Gaza Strip maaaaaaay not have had the best interests of the Arabs in mind!
I’m getting perverse pleasure out of all of these people who are starting to see the light juuuuuuuust a hair too late. Leopards, faces, fucking around, finding out, things of that general nature.
I’m getting perverse pleasure out of all of these people who are starting to see the light juuuuuuuust a hair too late. Leopards, faces, fucking around, finding out, things of that general nature.
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I hope those people feel the full weight of their protest vote while Israel is wiping Palestine off the face of the earth and the Trump administration is cheering them on. Those dumb fucks basically voted for the genocide of their own people. And I hope Rashida Tlaib feels the greatest remorse of them all for her refusal to endorse Kamala. Fuck her.
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Testing Bluesky …
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Craig Silverman (@craigsilverman.bsky.social)
The Post has the first inside look at a Musk-linked operation that used arguably deceptive digital ads and other approaches to depress democratic voter turnout. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/11/15/republican-ads-false-flag/
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I posted this very xtweet on the "Trump voters buyers' remorse" thread the other day:
It's astounding no one in Dearborn-ish seemingly bothered to think this through, when even though before the election, Trump told Netanyahu on a call "do what you have to do in Gaza" and Mike Huckabee, now the newly-appointed Amb to Israel as of Jan 20, is on record as saying there's "no such thing as Palestine"
Way to think it through, folks - enjoy the fruits of your misplaced anger.
Inshallah habib....inshallah...
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I posted this very xtweet on the "Trump voters buyers' remorse" thread the other day:
It's astounding no one in Dearborn-ish seemingly bothered to think this through, when even though before the election, Trump told Netanyahu on a call "do what you have to do in Gaza" and Mike Huckabee, now the newly-appointed Amb to Israel as of Jan 20, is on record as saying there's "no such thing as Palestine"
Way to think it through, folks - enjoy the fruits of your misplaced anger.
Inshallah habib....inshallah...
I don’t know that anger is entirely misplaced but I think the transactional nature of voting decisions we all have to make may have been grossly miscalculated.
Adam Tooze chalks up the rightward shift of the multicultural working class to its immediate distaste for a college-educated professional-managerial class that is always telling it what to do and how to think. Given the choice, then, they prefer a brash billionaire who rubs the PMC the wrong way over lady lawyers in pant suits.
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I was definitely going to buy a house if I could've gotten $25K in down payment assistance and certainly will if it becomes available anytime in the future...
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Oh yeah, me too. I’m looking to buy a house this year, and it would’ve been a huge help to me and a lot of potential home buyers (as long as it didn’t just push prices up $25,000).
I guess I should’ve said it doesn’t do much for people who aren’t close to buying a house. It’s a supply issue in terms of affordable rental units. I don’t know that the number of people buying a house w/ the assistance would increase in a way that appreciably takes pressure off the rental market.