FAFO

[Carolina Fever]

People complain about these "handouts" as they call it, but don't even know maybe a penny from their taxes are going to it. Meanwhile, all the other things their tax money goes to that they benefit from the government is okay. Look how much tax money is going to the defense budget, too. The waste on things for defense and to make sure rich people don't pay their fair share is enough to pay for every American to live comfortably with things like affordable housing and healthcare.

 

[UNCatTech]

It would help the legend die if I hadn't seen a welfare king with my own eyes.

So you have one example. In a country this size is that a statistically relevant sample?

And what did this person do? From what I've read of our support system laws even if someone were making out all of the government support they are not living a great life. These bullshit stories about eating lobster and diving Mercedes that are being paid for visa welfare are pretty much bullshit. In GA food stamps came only purchase veritable limited items.

 

[bridgetender]

People are slack

You're right, but not in the way you think you are. The people who you voted for just passed a bill to shift your tax dollars from the people that need them most to the people who need them the least. Somehow, they've convinced millions of Americans to blame the working poor instead of them realizing that they live in a plutocracy. These are the rotten fruits of Rupert Murdock getting the Fairness Doctrine repealed.

 

[UNCatTech]

I would hope we would all agree, regardless of income, that it's important to help those truly in need...and only those truly in need.

The problem here is you believe that you should be the one determining who is truly needy. And we all know how you are with over-generalizing.

 

[wmheel1287]

Most people will be as lazy as you allow them to be. That's the what this all comes down to with any of the government handouts. The large majority of people acknowledge that there are people who legitimately need taxpayer help. The question is how you get those people help while keeping the free-loaders out.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's stood in line behind the person paying for food with their SNAP card, talking on their brand new iPhone, dressed 10x better than me and then getting into a car significantly nicer than mine.

I find this anecdote to be not believable.

And if we are to believe it, I find the following to be incredibly sad.

1. You're watching how other people are paying for their groceries.
2. You're paying attention to ehat kind of phone someone is using
3. You're looking at the clothing people choose to wear to the grocery store and evaluating it against what you are wearing
4. You're stalking people to their vehicle in the parking lot

Finally, even if your anecdote were true, is it not possible that this person was picking up the groceries for someone who is unable to do do so?

 

[Centerpiece]

The problem is that Zen and his ilk think SNAP and Medicaid are what’s bankrupting the country and not corporate handouts and billionaire freeloaders taking advantage of tax loopholes and not paying squat in taxes.

Zen and his lot think tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires and large corporations are perfectly fine, while not scrutinizing every single penny going out to those signing up for food stamps, free school lunches and one lousy office visit to the doctor is somehow egregiously sinister.

 

[UNCatTech]

The problem is that Zen and his ilk think SNAP and Medicaid are what’s bankrupting the country and not corporate handouts and billionaire freeloaders taking advantage of tax loopholes and not paying squat in taxes.

Zen and his lot think tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires and large corporations are perfectly fine, while not scrutinizing every single penny going out to those signing up for food stamps, free school lunches and one lousy office visit to the doctor is somehow egregiously sinister.

EXACTLY.

We could eliminate the welfare system and it would make very little near term difference. But it would cost much more in the long term.

 

[Icky Mettle]

I find this anecdote to be not believable.

And if we are to believe it, I find the following to be incredibly sad.

1. You're watching how other people are paying for their groceries.
2. You're paying attention to ehat kind of phone someone is using
3. You're looking at the clothing people choose to wear to the grocery store and evaluating it against what you are wearing
4. You're stalking people to their vehicle in the parking lot

Finally, even if your anecdote were true, is it not possible that this person was picking up the groceries for someone who is unable to do do so?

I think the first sentence is all you need to say.

 

[ZenMode]

I find this anecdote to be not believable.

And if we are to believe it, I find the following to be incredibly sad.

1. You're watching how other people are paying for their groceries.
2. You're paying attention to ehat kind of phone someone is using
3. You're looking at the clothing people choose to wear to the grocery store and evaluating it against what you are wearing
4. You're stalking people to their vehicle in the parking lot

Finally, even if your anecdote were true, is it not possible that this person was picking up the groceries for someone who is unable to do do so?

It was the self checkout line at a Fry's grocery store in Mesa, AZ. The person I'm referring was at the terminal directly in front of me as I was standing in line. I noticed the clothing because the brand was in large letters down the side of his pants with a matching shirt that had matching brand name down the sleeve. His phone may not have been brand new, but it was a newer iPhone and newer than mine. iPhones are not inexpensive. He also had very nice/clean Nike shoes.

I had few items and he had several. He had to ask for help using his SNAP card while paying. Since I had few items, we ended up leaving at basically the same time and, yes, I did make a point to see what kind of vehicle he got into.

 

[superrific]

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's stood in line behind the person paying for food with their SNAP card, talking on their brand new iPhone, dressed 10x better than me and then getting into a car significantly nicer than mine.

You are such a bad liar.

1. SNAP cards are just debit cards. There is no way you could identify them from being behind in line. Indeed, that was the reason they went to an EBT system -- to destigmatize nutrition assistance.

2. There is literally no way for you to tell at a distance whether their Iphone was "brand new."

3. I'll believe dressed 10x better than you. Guy was probably wearing underwear, for instance.

4. So you were behind this person in line. Then the person went to his car, while you stayed back to pay for your groceries. Did you sprint to catch up? LOL.

5. It is truly amazing how much information that Americans obtain by standing in the grocery aisle. It's almost as if they are recycling the same old stories without enough ingenuity to vary the anecdote in any meaningful way.

I see that wmheel got to this before I did.

 

[lawtig02]

 

[UNCatTech]

It was the self checkout line at a Fry's grocery store in Mesa, AZ. The person I'm referring was at the terminal directly in front of me as I was standing in line. I noticed the clothing because the brand was in large letters down the side of his pants with a matching shirt that had matching brand name down the sleeve. His phone may not have been brand new, but it was a newer iPhone and newer than mine. iPhones are not inexpensive. He also had very nice/clean Nike shoes.

I had few items and he had several. He had to ask for help using his SNAP card while paying. Since I had few items, we ended up leaving at basically the same time and, yes, I did make a point to see what kind of vehicle he got into.

And because he had a snap cad you know that his clothing wasn't purchased by his rich uncle and that his car wasn't a loaner?

It's funny how everyone who is against these programs has the same stupid unbelievable unsubstantiated story. My coworker told me basically the same story last week.

Maybe take the time and look into the welfare programs in that state and look at the maximum payouts, then see if your assumptions are even possible.

The only thing about your story that is possibly based in fact is that he was using an SNAP card, you have no way of knowing how he obtained his clothing or car, so stop assuming the worst. And stop letting your imaginations grow your assumptions into claimed facts.

 

[CFordUNC]

I would be fascinated to know what Zen thinks a person or a family on SNAP is supposed to look like. For much of my childhood we were on SNAP but we also got our clothes dirt cheap from places like Goodwill or Guardian Angel, so we probably did not look like a bunch of poors buying our food at food Lion or Piggly Wiggly!

 

[lawtig02]

I would be fascinated to know what Zen thanks a person or a family on SNAP is supposed to look like. For much of my childhood we were on SNAP but we also got our clothes dirt cheap from places like Goodwill or Guardian Angel, so we probably did not look like a bunch of poors buying our food at food Lion or Piggly Wiggly!

Zen is making this whole story up. He doesn’t have the slightest clue about SNAP. He’s just doing his stupid antagonist thing.

 

[superrific]

It was the self checkout line at a Fry's grocery store in Mesa, AZ. The person I'm referring was at the terminal directly in front of me as I was standing in line. I noticed the clothing because the brand was in large letters down the side of his pants with a matching shirt that had matching brand name down the sleeve. His phone may not have been brand new, but it was a newer iPhone and newer than mine. iPhones are not inexpensive. He also had very nice/clean Nike shoes.

I had few items and he had several. He had to ask for help using his SNAP card while paying. Since I had few items, we ended up leaving at basically the same time and, yes, I did make a point to see what kind of vehicle he got into.

You are so incredibly bad at this. Imagine going to all the effort to cobbling together this bullshit and not even realizing that:

1. There's no such thing as a SNAP card;
2. This guy, talking away on his brand new iPhone, somehow couldn't figure out how to pay via debit?
3. Imagine the coincidence that the guy also happened to be parked near you! Good thing he wasn't in the next line of cars, or parked further away than you.

And, even if your story is true despite all indications that it's not, the most obvious explanation is that he was using someone else's card. Maybe he bought it (not supposed to but it happens) but probably was shopping for his mom or his sister. What was he buying? Feminine products?

 

[Bobfripp]

3. I'll believe dressed 10x better than you. Guy was probably wearing underwear, for instance.

Touché!

 

[UNCatTech]

Zen is making this whole story up. He doesn’t have the slightest clue about SNAP. He’s just doing his stupid antagonist thing.

It's a script given to them by those who want to do away with all welfare.

 

[Centerpiece]

You are such a bad liar.

1. SNAP cards are just debit cards. There is no way you could identify them from being behind in line. Indeed, that was the reason they went to an EBT system -- to destigmatize nutrition assistance.

2. There is literally no way for you to tell at a distance whether their Iphone was "brand new."

3. I'll believe dressed 10x better than you. Guy was probably wearing underwear, for instance.

4. So you were behind this person in line. Then the person went to his car, while you stayed back to pay for your groceries. Did you sprint to catch up? LOL.

5. It is truly amazing how much information that Americans obtain by standing in the grocery aisle. It's almost as if they are recycling the same old stories without enough ingenuity to vary the anecdote in any meaningful way.

I see that wmheel got to this before I did.

Zen wasn’t standing in line behind the guy in the grocery store. Zen was bagging the guys groceries, and then helped him out to his car to load the groceries. That’s the only way he could’ve discerned any and all of that stuff.

 

[ZenMode]

You are so incredibly bad at this. Imagine going to all the effort to cobbling together this bullshit and not even realizing that:

1. There's no such thing as a SNAP card;

It's technically an EBT card and the word SNAP was used in his conversation with the person helping him.

2. This guy, talking away on his brand new iPhone, somehow couldn't figure out how to pay via debit?

He had some kind of issue and the word "SNAP" was used.

3. Imagine the coincidence that the guy also happened to be parked near you!

I didn't say he was. I said I made a point to see what he was driving. Stop making shit up.

Good thing he wasn't in the next line of cars, or parked further away than you.

Irrelevant. See above.

And, even if your story is true despite all indications that it's not, the most obvious explanation is that he was using someone else's card. Maybe he bought it (not supposed to but it happens) but probably was shopping for his mom or his sister. What was he buying? Feminine products?

Sure anything is possible, including how it appeared to be.

 

[lawtig02]

Well I was standing in a grocery in Mesa, Arizona,
What a sad sight did I see.
It was poor ass schmuck in a souped up truck
Buying food with a card he got for free.