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First they came for the poor black people
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a poor black person
Then they came for the brown people
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a brown person
Then they came for the transgender
And I did not speak out
Because I was not transgender
Then they came for the Democrats
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Democrat
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
I once had the opportunity to meet Martin Niemoller in a fairly small (about a dozen people) group setting. Someone asked him how the poem/saying that inspired the above actually went because he had heard so many different versions. Pastor Niemoller said he didn't know because he had never said it the same way twice. Which is to say, I think Pastor Niemoller would approve of your variation.
 
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The U.S. cities most vulnerable to a trade war with Canada turn out to largely be in the states that helped return Donald Trump to the White House — a sign of the possible political risk he’s taking with his tariff plans.

A new analysis released Thursday by the Canadian Chamber of Commerce detailed the areas most dependent on exports to Canada, with San Antonio and Detroit topping the list of 41 U.S. metro areas. The findings show that the United States’ 25% tariffs on Canada and Canada’s retaliations could inflict meaningful damage in key states for U.S. politics.

The analysis was conducted before the Republican president announced Wednesday that he was placing additional 25% tariffs on imported autos and parts starting on April 3.
 

The U.S. cities most vulnerable to a trade war with Canada turn out to largely be in the states that helped return Donald Trump to the White House — a sign of the possible political risk he’s taking with his tariff plans.

A new analysis released Thursday by the Canadian Chamber of Commerce detailed the areas most dependent on exports to Canada, with San Antonio and Detroit topping the list of 41 U.S. metro areas. The findings show that the United States’ 25% tariffs on Canada and Canada’s retaliations could inflict meaningful damage in key states for U.S. politics.

The analysis was conducted before the Republican president announced Wednesday that he was placing additional 25% tariffs on imported autos and parts starting on April 3.
Remember the cult isn't allowed to read, they have to get all news and information from fox propaganda network.
 

As has been said many times on this thread, what the f did they expect? How can they be so blind? How can they be so gullible? Good God almighty!!
Is she white and does she live in exurbia or suburbia?
 

As has been said many times on this thread, what the f did they expect? How can they be so blind? How can they be so gullible? Good God almighty!!
People can talk about ignorance the main causes of all this, but I think much of it simply boils down to people like this woman honestly believing that Trump wouldn't do many of the things he said he would do, and that other Republicans wouldn't do the things they said they would (say, like Project 2025). Like many Republicans these people vaguely believe in "cutting government waste" without ever thinking it might affect them. Trump (and Musk & DOGE) will cut other people's jobs, but not mine. Anybody who gets hurt will be someone else, not me or my family. The people who get hurt will be the ones I don't like or care for, not people like me. I've heard it from so many Republicans since 2016 - "Trump's just an entertainer and bullshitter, he loves provoking liberals and stirring stuff up by saying crazy stuff. But he's not serious about doing most of it, it's just talk." Well, yeah, it's not just talk. When Project 2025's authors said it was going to gut government jobs and the social safety net, it was probably a good idea to believe them.
 
People can talk about ignorance the main causes of all this, but I think much of it simply boils down to people like this woman honestly believing that Trump wouldn't do many of the things he said he would do, and that other Republicans wouldn't do the things they said they would (say, like Project 2025). Like many Republicans these people vaguely believe in "cutting government waste" without ever thinking it might affect them. Trump (and Musk & DOGE) will cut other people's jobs, but not mine. Anybody who gets hurt will be someone else, not me or my family. The people who get hurt will be the ones I don't like or care for, not people like me. I've heard it from so many Republicans since 2016 - "Trump's just an entertainer and bullshitter, he loves provoking liberals and stirring stuff up by saying crazy stuff. But he's not serious about doing most of it, it's just talk." Well, yeah, it's not just talk. When Project 2025's authors said it was going to gut government jobs and the social safety net, it was probably a good idea to believe them.
But isn’t that the very definition of ignorance?

Literally everyone with a pulse could tell that Trump has never ever given a fuck about working class people.

We’re talking about a guy who largely stayed financially solvent by employing undocumented immigrants, stiffing contractors, conning poor people, skipping out on paying taxes, and committing fraud.

That’s on top of volumes of evidence of a life of infidelity, sexual assault, defamation, racism, sexism, greed, fraud, and malice.

Yet his supporters remain willfully ignorant of those facts. Or rather, they reject those facts on the whole and replace them with an imagined narrative of virility, strength, power, cunning, intelligence, selflessness, and patriotism.
 
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People can talk about ignorance the main causes of all this, but I think much of it simply boils down to people like this woman honestly believing that Trump wouldn't do many of the things he said he would do, and that other Republicans wouldn't do the things they said they would (say, like Project 2025). Like many Republicans these people vaguely believe in "cutting government waste" without ever thinking it might affect them. Trump (and Musk & DOGE) will cut other people's jobs, but not mine. Anybody who gets hurt will be someone else, not me or my family. The people who get hurt will be the ones I don't like or care for, not people like me. I've heard it from so many Republicans since 2016 - "Trump's just an entertainer and bullshitter, he loves provoking liberals and stirring stuff up by saying crazy stuff. But he's not serious about doing most of it, it's just talk." Well, yeah, it's not just talk. When Project 2025's authors said it was going to gut government jobs and the social safety net, it was probably a good idea to believe them.
I think the naivete and gullibility is people thinking Trump wants to do what is best for them, that his most basic need and desire is for people to tell him how great he is.
 
But isn’t that the very definition of ignorance?

Literally everyone with a pulse could tell that Trump has never ever given a fuck about working class people.

We’re talking about a guy who largely stayed financially solvent by employing undocumented immigrants, stiffing contractors, conning poor people, skipping out on paying taxes, and committing fraud.

That’s on top of volumes of evidence of a life of infidelity, sexual assault, defamation, racism, sexism, greed, fraud, and malice.

Yet his supporters remain willfully ignorant of those facts. Or rather, they reject those facts on the whole and replace them with an imagined narrative of virility, strength, power, cunning, intelligence, selflessness, and patriotism.
Maybe, but I would argue that extreme gullibility is an even better definition than ignorance. No doubt they're ignorant in many ways, but far too many of these people see themselves as shrewd and savvy when they're actually easy suckers and marks for con artists like Trump and assorted televangelists and quacks. Ignorance plays a part, but so does gullibility and naivete. At any rate it's really all a part of the pattern - a toxic combination of ignorance, gullibility, and placing blind trust and faith in all the wrong people.
 
These people are not ignorant. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or information.

They had the information. They just choose to not believe it.

The question is why would they choose not to believe he is the piece of shit that he is?
 
These people are not ignorant. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or information.

They had the information. They just choose to not believe it.

The question is why would they choose not to believe he is the piece of shit that he is?

On the BBC the other week they showed people from a town who were solid Conservative voters for ages. The district went to Labour in the last election. Like 6 months into the Labour government (i.e. not a lot of time to change things), these people were unhappy again. They were asked to describe Keir Starmer in one word. You heard a lot of "disappointing" "failed" etc. Then they were asked to describe Nigel Farage and you heard things like "incompetent" "liar" "untrustworthy" "unqualified" etc etc. The next question was who are you voting for if the election was now. Nine out of ten them said they would vote for Farage. It was actually eight out of 10, but the first guy saw everyone else vote for Farage and changed his vote.

Most of their comments were still about immigrants and lack of jobs, and the cost of living etc.

These folks, like most Trump voters are just profoundly angry and unhappy people who want to bring pain to others. They want everyone pulled down into the mire.
 
These people are not ignorant. Ignorance is a lack of knowledge or information.

They had the information. They just choose to not believe it.

The question is why would they choose not to believe he is the piece of shit that he is?
With all due respect, I beg to differ...

These MAGAs did not have the information which is not say they did not have access to the information

But MAGAs watch Fox News and do not seek news from accurate legitimate media. This is the problem with at least 1/3 of the country getting information from a fascist propaganda network
 
With all due respect, I beg to differ...

These MAGAs did not have the information which is not say they did not have access to the information

But MAGAs watch Fox News and do not seek news from accurate legitimate media. This is the problem with at least 1/3 of the country getting information from a fascist propaganda network
You had to basically live in a hole to not hear the shit that trump constantly spewed. I agree that fox did cover up as much as they could and that these people didn't seem knowledge, but I find it hard for them to claim complete ignorance. Maybe willful ignorance.

But far too many made it clear they heard him say these things with the comments that it's just trump being trump, he isn't really going to do it.
 
You had to basically live in a hole to not hear the shit that trump constantly spewed. I agree that fox did cover up as much as they could and that these people didn't seem knowledge, but I find it hard for them to claim complete ignorance. Maybe willful ignorance.

But far too many made it clear they heard him say these things with the comments that it's just trump being trump, he isn't really going to do it.
I think we may be talking about different MAGA cohorts. I'm submitting that the vast majority of Trump's supporters were and are completely ignorant . Those other more informed MAGAs like HeelYeah, were informed but were confident Trump would put more money in their wallets and chose to ignore the broader fascist consequences of a Trump presidency.
 
Why are "conservatives" so bad at logic?
It’s a feature, alongside hypocrisy. And, it’s unavoidable when your entire movement is centered around slavish obsequiousness to the most narcissistic and overtly ignorant person in the history of US federal politics. It then becomes a self perpetuating ecosystem of illogic and gaslighting. Not to mention, maga gives the excuse for these people to show their true colors, as opposed to spending energy suppressing their main character syndrome and bigotries.
 
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