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Ramrouser said:
Stupid? Really. You think it’s stupid to encourage able bodied people to work at least 20 hours a week instead of sponging off the g’ment?
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Nobody sponges Medicaid from the government. How does that even work? There are no cash payments for Medicaid. You get nothing but your medical bills paid. There is no mooching because it doesn't even make sense.

Obamacare ran through Medicaid because it was an established program that could be easily ramped up. The entire Obamacare exercise depended on the premium support and Medicaid expansion. Without it, it might very well collapse and when it does it will be entirely the GOPs fault. You will get worse care for more money. Remember that. It will be your own damn fault.
 
Ramrouser said:
People are slack
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Most people will be as lazy as you allow them to be. That's the what this all comes down to with any of the government handouts. The large majority of people acknowledge that there are people who legitimately need taxpayer help. The question is how you get those people help while keeping the free-loaders out.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's stood in line behind the person paying for food with their SNAP card, talking on their brand new iPhone, dressed 10x better than me and then getting into a car significantly nicer than mine.
 
Yet, the welfare king tall tale is not how you first replied to my post about Reagan’s mythological welfare Queen…..you replied with an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Why the edit?

Why not lead with the welfare “king?”
 
Zoo_View said:
Yet, the welfare king tall tale is not how you first replied to my post about Reagan’s mythological welfare Queen…..you replied with an ostrich with its head in the sand.

Why the edit?

Why not lead with the welfare “king?”
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I decided to be factual and decided against being snarky and insulting.

I DID lead with it, four posts above this one.
 
ZenMode said:
Most people will be as lazy as you allow them to be. That's the what this all comes down to with any of the government handouts. The large majority of people acknowledge that there are people who legitimately need taxpayer help. The question is how you get those people help while keeping the free-loaders out.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who's stood in line behind the person paying for food with their SNAP card, talking on their brand new iPhone, dressed 10x better than me and then getting into a car significantly nicer than mine.
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People like rich folks who should pay their fair share?

The problem is you are hurting the people who need this support so you can address this issue of "laziness".

Now I know where class system comes from.
 
tonman said:
People like rich folks who should pay their fair share?
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I would hope we would all agree, regardless of income, that it's important to help those truly in need...and only those truly in need.
tonman said:
The problem is you are hurting the people who need this support so you can address this issue of "laziness".
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In the case of Medicaid changes, are they not hurting themselves by, according to most here, not being willing to take steps (paperwork) to meet new requirements for enrollment?
 
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good news is people who vote for shitty people are going to get what they deserve

bad news is, they aren't going to blame the shitty people for it

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The Politics of Rural Hospital Closures - Political Behavior

Who do citizens hold responsible for outcomes and experiences? Hundreds of rural hospitals have closed or significantly reduced their capacity since just 2010, leaving much of the rural U.S. without access to emergency health care. I use data on rural hospital closures from 2008 to 2020 to...
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Abstract​

Who do citizens hold responsible for outcomes and experiences? Hundreds of rural hospitals have closed or significantly reduced their capacity since just 2010, leaving much of the rural U.S. without access to emergency health care. I use data on rural hospital closures from 2008 to 2020 to explore where and why hospital closures occurred as well as who–if anyone–rural voters held responsible for local closures. Despite closures being over twice as likely to occur in the Republican-controlled states that did not expand Medicaid, closures were associated with reduced support for federal Democrats and the Affordable Care Act following local closures. I show that rural voters who lost hospitals were roughly 5–10 percentage points more likely to vote Republican in subsequent presidential elections. If anything state Republicans seemed to benefit in rural areas from rejecting Medicaid and resulting rural health woes following the passage of the ACA. These results have important implications for population health and political accountability in the U.S.
 
Ramrouser said:
People are slack
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Disagree.

People are different. People have different challenges. People have abilities.

To make blanket statements about all of these people is ridiculous. To pretend that there are no considerations or variables in their life that contribute to the state they are in and pretend they just choose to be lazy is ridiculous.

As most everything is a spectrum I'm sure there are cases where the person is choosing to be lazy. I know it is not all of the people. I doubt it's a relevant sample size. Either way it's not a justification for dropping coverages of truly needy people so millionaires can get unneeded tax cuts.

Also while we're talking about unneeded tax cuts, the right needs to drop the bullshit about caring about the deficit and the debt as they clearly do not. This great big stupid bill will add to the debt no matter how they lie and spin.
 
ZenMode said:
Most people will be as lazy as you allow them to be. That's the what this all comes down to with any of the government handouts.
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First they are not handouts. They serve to support society as a whole. They are part of a system of support because society as well as individuals are better off.

Provide evidence that "Most" people will, as you put it, be a lazy as you allow them to be. But first who is the "you" in this statement?
 
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