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ZenMode
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It would help the legend die if I hadn't seen a welfare king with my own eyes.
ZenMode
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I decided to be factual and decided against being snarky and insulting.
I DID lead with it, four posts above this one.
tonman
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People like rich folks who should pay their fair share?
The problem is you are hurting the people who need this support so you can address this issue of "laziness".
Now I know where class system comes from.
ZenMode
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I would hope we would all agree, regardless of income, that it's important to help those truly in need...and only those truly in need.
In the case of Medicaid changes, are they not hurting themselves by, according to most here, not being willing to take steps (paperwork) to meet new requirements for enrollment?
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good news is people who vote for shitty people are going to get what they deserve
bad news is, they aren't going to blame the shitty people for it
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bad news is, they aren't going to blame the shitty people for it
The Politics of Rural Hospital Closures - Political Behavior
Who do citizens hold responsible for outcomes and experiences? Hundreds of rural hospitals have closed or significantly reduced their capacity since just 2010, leaving much of the rural U.S. without access to emergency health care. I use data on rural hospital closures from 2008 to 2020 to...
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Who do citizens hold responsible for outcomes and experiences? Hundreds of rural hospitals have closed or significantly reduced their capacity since just 2010, leaving much of the rural U.S. without access to emergency health care. I use data on rural hospital closures from 2008 to 2020 to explore where and why hospital closures occurred as well as who–if anyone–rural voters held responsible for local closures. Despite closures being over twice as likely to occur in the Republican-controlled states that did not expand Medicaid, closures were associated with reduced support for federal Democrats and the Affordable Care Act following local closures. I show that rural voters who lost hospitals were roughly 5–10 percentage points more likely to vote Republican in subsequent presidential elections. If anything state Republicans seemed to benefit in rural areas from rejecting Medicaid and resulting rural health woes following the passage of the ACA. These results have important implications for population health and political accountability in the U.S.
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Disagree.
People are different. People have different challenges. People have abilities.
To make blanket statements about all of these people is ridiculous. To pretend that there are no considerations or variables in their life that contribute to the state they are in and pretend they just choose to be lazy is ridiculous.
As most everything is a spectrum I'm sure there are cases where the person is choosing to be lazy. I know it is not all of the people. I doubt it's a relevant sample size. Either way it's not a justification for dropping coverages of truly needy people so millionaires can get unneeded tax cuts.
Also while we're talking about unneeded tax cuts, the right needs to drop the bullshit about caring about the deficit and the debt as they clearly do not. This great big stupid bill will add to the debt no matter how they lie and spin.
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First they are not handouts. They serve to support society as a whole. They are part of a system of support because society as well as individuals are better off.
Provide evidence that "Most" people will, as you put it, be a lazy as you allow them to be. But first who is the "you" in this statement?
C-Money
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People complain about these "handouts" as they call it, but don't even know maybe a penny from their taxes are going to it. Meanwhile, all the other things their tax money goes to that they benefit from the government is okay. Look how much tax money is going to the defense budget, too. The waste on things for defense and to make sure rich people don't pay their fair share is enough to pay for every American to live comfortably with things like affordable housing and healthcare.
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So you have one example. In a country this size is that a statistically relevant sample?
And what did this person do? From what I've read of our support system laws even if someone were making out all of the government support they are not living a great life. These bullshit stories about eating lobster and diving Mercedes that are being paid for visa welfare are pretty much bullshit. In GA food stamps came only purchase veritable limited items.
bridgetender
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You're right, but not in the way you think you are. The people who you voted for just passed a bill to shift your tax dollars from the people that need them most to the people who need them the least. Somehow, they've convinced millions of Americans to blame the working poor instead of them realizing that they live in a plutocracy. These are the rotten fruits of Rupert Murdock getting the Fairness Doctrine repealed.
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The problem here is you believe that you should be the one determining who is truly needy. And we all know how you are with over-generalizing.
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I find this anecdote to be not believable.
And if we are to believe it, I find the following to be incredibly sad.
1. You're watching how other people are paying for their groceries.
2. You're paying attention to ehat kind of phone someone is using
3. You're looking at the clothing people choose to wear to the grocery store and evaluating it against what you are wearing
4. You're stalking people to their vehicle in the parking lot
Finally, even if your anecdote were true, is it not possible that this person was picking up the groceries for someone who is unable to do do so?
Centerpiece
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The problem is that Zen and his ilk think SNAP and Medicaid are what’s bankrupting the country and not corporate handouts and billionaire freeloaders taking advantage of tax loopholes and not paying squat in taxes.
Zen and his lot think tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires and large corporations are perfectly fine, while not scrutinizing every single penny going out to those signing up for food stamps, free school lunches and one lousy office visit to the doctor is somehow egregiously sinister.
Zen and his lot think tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires and large corporations are perfectly fine, while not scrutinizing every single penny going out to those signing up for food stamps, free school lunches and one lousy office visit to the doctor is somehow egregiously sinister.
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EXACTLY.
We could eliminate the welfare system and it would make very little near term difference. But it would cost much more in the long term.
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I think the first sentence is all you need to say.
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It was the self checkout line at a Fry's grocery store in Mesa, AZ. The person I'm referring was at the terminal directly in front of me as I was standing in line. I noticed the clothing because the brand was in large letters down the side of his pants with a matching shirt that had matching brand name down the sleeve. His phone may not have been brand new, but it was a newer iPhone and newer than mine. iPhones are not inexpensive. He also had very nice/clean Nike shoes.
I had few items and he had several. He had to ask for help using his SNAP card while paying. Since I had few items, we ended up leaving at basically the same time and, yes, I did make a point to see what kind of vehicle he got into.
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superrific
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You are such a bad liar.
1. SNAP cards are just debit cards. There is no way you could identify them from being behind in line. Indeed, that was the reason they went to an EBT system -- to destigmatize nutrition assistance.
2. There is literally no way for you to tell at a distance whether their Iphone was "brand new."
3. I'll believe dressed 10x better than you. Guy was probably wearing underwear, for instance.
4. So you were behind this person in line. Then the person went to his car, while you stayed back to pay for your groceries. Did you sprint to catch up? LOL.
5. It is truly amazing how much information that Americans obtain by standing in the grocery aisle. It's almost as if they are recycling the same old stories without enough ingenuity to vary the anecdote in any meaningful way.
I see that wmheel got to this before I did.
