FEMA & Natural Disasters | FEMA reform or dissolution?

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rodoheel said:
I suspect some of the misunderstanding here might come from your initial post in the thread, where another poster had said it was FEMA who got and directed a lot of people to NC to help with the disaster, and you said "No it wasn't." It may have been that you simply intended to say that there were other organizations working in NC in addition to FEMA, like Samaritan's Purse. But because you framed your post as disagreement with the other poster, it sounded kinda like you were disagreeing that FEMA got a lot of people from other states to NC. If that's not what you meant, you can just clear that up and we can move on.
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You pretty much nailed it. Yosef isn’t getting the benefit of the doubt because of posting history but he never criticized FEMA. He just disputed that the people from out of state were FEMA.
 
theel4life said:
I was mocked?
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uh, yeah. you were mocked pretty mercilessly in the interim between the first debate and biden finally stepping aside as the dem nominee. plenty of this happened on IC prior to this board getting cranked up.

the writing was on the wall but you were still JCD'ing biden like there was no tomorrow. it was a very tiresome schtick and a lot of us let you know how we felt about it.
 
Yosef said:
I'm

Wrong... Go back and show me where I said anything negative about FEMA. Copy and paste it in your post here and show everyone where I said anything negative about them. You won't because you know you just made it up. You lack of responding to this will prove it.
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Sorry - I just saw this. Rodo hit at what I was going at as well. If that was your intent in that post, then I apologize.
 
bassydude77 said:
The White House social media is all-in on stories about how FEMA failed NC. MAGA world consistently wins the messaging wars. That is THE reason Trump won.
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I agree. But I don't know if there's a way to compete against a disinformation narrative that half the country is determined to believe, regardless of how much the lies are exposed.
 
lawtig02 said:
I agree. But I don't know if there's a way to compete against a disinformation narrative that half the country is determined to believe, regardless of how much the lies are exposed.
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It's like a mental illness. Or plain ignorance. I think they just want to believe it because it gives them a legitimate reason in their minds to support Trump instead of the real reasons of racism, bigotry, greed, and/or plain stupidity.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The water rescue, urban search and rescue, and medical personnel that came from across the country were paid for, trained, and deployed by FEMA. FEMA put over 3,000 boots on the ground in Western North Carolina. That aid does not come without FEMA, and NC doesn’t have the personnel or resources to be able to meet that need on its own.
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Mutual aid, mutual aid, mutual aid
 
It'll be interesting to see what affect this has on neighboring states pitching in.
 
bassydude77 said:
The White House social media is all-in on stories about how FEMA failed NC. MAGA world consistently wins the messaging wars. That is
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THE reason Trump won.Trump won is because Dems didn't turn out for Harrisand many still don'e believe a woman sghoulkd pres
bassydude77 said:
The White House social media is all-in on stories about how FEMA failed NC. MAGA world consistently wins the messaging wars. That is THE reason Trump won.
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Trump won because Dems didn't turn out for Harris. Many still don't believe a woman should be pres
 
ZZLPHeels said:
Mutual aid is not coming from across the country for free.
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I did not say it was free but it is not paid for up front by the Requestor or the Feds or the State it takes weeks months and sometimes years to be reimbursed . The mutual aid is not necessarily deployed by FEMA either. The State of NC for instance, or a county, or a city may request mutual aid. Aid can and does come without FEMA
 
waynecountywolf said:
I did not say it was free but it is not paid for up front by the Requestor or the Feds or the State it takes weeks months and sometimes years to be reimbursed . The mutual aid is not necessarily deployed by FEMA either. The State of NC for instance, or a county, or a city may request mutual aid. Aid can and does come without FEMA
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For SOME things. No state is sending campers by thr hundreds and no state that I'm aware of has the contracting wherewithal or ability to step in and make such a putchase even if the funding is promised and provided. There's a reason FEMA was created in the first place....because mutal aid didn't work well.
 
waynecountywolf said:
I did not say it was free but it is not paid for up front by the Requestor or the Feds or the State it takes weeks months and sometimes years to be reimbursed . The mutual aid is not necessarily deployed by FEMA either. The State of NC for instance, or a county, or a city may request mutual aid. Aid can and does come without FEMA
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That’s fine and dandy for minor emergencies. For major emergencies like Helene those assets are being deployed by FEMA. They are being paid for by FEMA. They are using equipment that was purchased in large part by FEMA and personnel that have been trained by FEMA. The reimbursements often come months later but the deploying agencies know that the reimbursements are in fact coming. Get rid of FEMA and all of that ceases to exist.
 
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To be fair, with Trump in the White House, blue states suffering disasters are probably smarter to rely on their neighboring states for aid rather than the federal government. But that’s not an issue with FEMA. It’s an issue with Trump.
 
lawtig02 said:
To be fair, with Trump in the White House, blue states suffering disasters are probably smarter to rely on their neighboring states for aid rather than the federal government. But that’s not an issue with FEMA. It’s an issue with Trump.
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Are the neighboring states going to be as willing to help? Would or could they count on help from the feds for any kind of resupply or assistance?
 
finesse said:
Are the neighboring states going to be as willing to help? Would or could they count on help from the feds for any kind of resupply or assistance?
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I know. I was mostly being sarcastic. That said, if I’m California right now, I’m trusting Nevada and Idaho more than I’m trusting Trump. There are very few Americans who are actually evil and vindictive enough to withhold or condition help to fellow Americans in a time of crisis. We just happen to have elected the worst of them to the most powerful positions in the country.
 
ZZLPHeels said:
The water rescue, urban search and rescue, and medical personnel that came from across the country were paid for, trained, and deployed by FEMA. FEMA put over 3,000 boots on the ground in Western North Carolina. That aid does not come without FEMA, and NC doesn’t have the personnel or resources to be able to meet that need on its own.
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FEMA doesnt have the resources either, without mutual aid.
www.govexec.com

Federal agencies have deployed 3,600 employees in Helene response

Biden promises feds will stay as long as necessary, and FEMA says it may tap volunteers from other agencies to aid in response.
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"A Government Accountability Office report earlier this year found FEMA was 6,000 employees short of its staffing targets, forcing it to function at 65% of its operating capacity."
Fatigue and moral have been a problem at FEMA for many, many years.
 
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