Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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Calheel said:
Right. You like him because he looks and acts like someone that would be the president in a movie. Because he is playing a role.
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There's some truth in that.

Unfortunately, this is often the game politicians have to play. Remember when Obama supposedly changed his view on gay marriage? Did he actually change it? Did newsom actually reconsider his position on trans women in female sports? Maybe he did or maybe he was scared of the backlash for taking such a position sooner.

This is the risk that we often have to take.

What I do know is that he's relatively young, seems intelligent, wellspoken and, yes, presidential.

I'm not saying he's my favorite choice. He's not close to my favorite choice, but after the last decade, I would gladly take him over the other options.
 
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He... "shouldn’t be giving nationwide addresses in primetime"
Really? I would think prime-time is the perfect, in fact the ONLY time, to give a nationwide address.
 
So I finally got around to watching the Newsom Statewide address... (it wasn't specifically a "Nationwide" address per se, not initially at least... National media picked it up and ran with it). I liked it. I thought he hit it out of the park. I didn't' detect anything that could be construed as "fake". He was on point 100%.

I also recall his head-to-head with DeSantis Dec. 2023. I thought Gavin hit a home run there too.

I still contend Cal doth protest too much methinks...

I also agree with the poster that said something like Uncle Joe putting on a wig wanting to play in a ladies H.S. softball game is not the hill the Dems should strive to die on. So Newsom alluding to that fact shouldn't be a deal breaker - not in my book at least.
 
Calheel said:
Right. You like him because he looks and acts like someone that would be the president in a movie. Because he is playing a role.
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Pep used to predict primaries based on the candidates' hair (and mostly get it right).
 
Paine said:
I’m with Calheel on this. I know some of y’all love Gavin Newsom, but I really think a lot of voters are going to see through him.
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But that’s not why this thread got derailed.

I read scant few posts suggesting true Newsom support, as a holistic politician; it was a straw man presented after multiple rounds of multiple posters trying to understand what Calheel thought Newsom should do, in response to Trump pulling nakedly despotic moves upon Californians. Cal focused on Newsom’s image, but not on the substance of the message. There’s invective within this thread that clearly several posters, myself included, found disproportionate to the moment, and in no way represented an endorsement of Newsom.
 
"'The Speech' is what Ronald Reagan called it. Today we call it, "A Time for Choosing," and it was a pivotal turning point in Ronald Reagan's life.Ronald Reagan began a long side-career of public speaking as his acting career closed out. He traveled across the country meeting Lions Clubs, Rotary Clubs, Chambers of Commerce and any other civic-minded local groups. This continued and intensified during his service as the General Electric spokesperson while hosting their sponsored television series. "The Speech" was delivered in various forms and to different audiences as each word was honed, measured and memorized. During the 1964 Presidential campaign, Republican party officials in California, who knew Reagan's powerful message and delivery, asked him to film a speech on behalf of the Republican candidate, Barry Goldwater. The speech was aired on October 27, 1964 and it was electrifying. Donations to the Republican party and candidates increased dramatically.The Republican Party took note and they targeted Reagan as a candidate from that point forward. He agreed in 1966 to run for Governor of California. He won two terms, and eventually won the Presidency."




This was aired on a national program titled Rendezvous with Destiny on October 27, 1964. He was elected governor of California in 1966.
 
Paine said:
I’m with Calheel on this. I know some of y’all love Gavin Newsom, but I really think a lot of voters are going to see through him.

The man looks like a political product designed in a lab: slick, polished, never off message. In this political moment, people are desperate for someone who feels real. Someone who talks like they’ve actually lived some of what regular people are going through. Newsom doesn’t hit that note in my opinion.

Now imagine him up against someone like J.D. Vance. Someone who has a compelling personal story and knows how to tell it in a way that hits the populist notes. Vance would lean into that every day. “I came from nothing. Newsom came from Napa money and political connections.” He’d be hammering that contrast while Newsom is talking about green energy grants and metrics.

I’m not saying I like Vance. Obviously I don’t. But I do think he understands how to perform authenticity in a way that a lot of swing voters respond to. Newsom, by contrast, feels more like a segment on MSNBC. That might excite liberals who follow politics closely, but it won’t move disaffected or working class voters who already feel alienated from the system.

Nominate Newsom, and we risk walking right into a repeat of 2016. Flashy, confident, polished candidate who completely misses the emotional mood of the country.
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None of which matters. The fact that he is closely tied to California and, by extension, Los Angeles, is enough to disqualify him in many voters' eyes.
 
Paine said:
When someone comes off as phony or opportunistic, people pick up on that. Especially those already skeptical of both parties.
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This comment suggests you see, or believe others see, Trump as genuine, down-to-earth and lacking in personal ambition.
 
So who is the least PHONY democrat with chances then?

The woman with the whiteboard? Too bad she's a she. Maybe she's also from a city. Strike two.
 
77 million voted for a phony, opportunistic, narcissist, authoritarian rapist -
I'll take Gavin any day thank you very much.

Now, having said that, I'd like to see him in a primary against several other bona fide candidates. There's a very good chance I would NOT vote for Gavin in said primary. But if Newsom were to come out as the Dem candidate I'd vote for him in a heart beat... and I would use his speech the other night as example #1 why.
 
Paine said:
Now imagine him up against someone like J.D. Vance. Someone who has a compelling personal story and knows how to tell it in a way that hits the populist notes. Vance would lean into that every day. “I came from nothing. Newsom came from Napa money and political connections.” He’d be hammering that contrast while Newsom is talking about green energy grants and metrics.
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Yesterday you said you were criticizing Dems because there was nobody else to talk to.

But boy do you say a lot of great things about Trump and his minions, just like a former leftie poster named Ovshinsky. The idea that JD Vance has a compelling personal story and will tug at heartstrings is ludicrous. Everybody hates that dude. Including Trump. But at least he's not Gavin Newsom.

And though you said you don't want to take shots at Dems, that's exactly what you are doing. What a pathetic caricature, Newsom talking about "green energy credits." Maybe he'll start eating tofu live on air! He's become governor of the biggest and most important state, but he's so politically stupid that he can't connect with people, not as well as noted socialite JD Vance. I mean, go fuck yourself with this stupid crap. I don't love Gavin, but you're again pissing up the wrong fucking tree.

The very first thing you can do if you hate Trump is STOP ATTACKING AND CARICATURING DEMOCRATS. Here's the thing: your political instincts are TERRIBLE. If I was a political consultant, I'd call you, ask your advice and do the opposite. The people who you think will be the standard bearers will actually get crushed. You're the McGovern caucus. So dial it down a bit. Listen to other people. Stop siding with Trump.
 
Paine said:
Beshear is my number one option right now. I'm not confident about his ability to make it through a primary.
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You like him because he looks like a good ole boy. The idea that Gavin Newsom is somehow a nepo baby while Andy Beshear, son of a [checks notes] former governor, is beyond belief. OK, he has rural NC hair instead of big city hair (note: Newsom's hair probably does not do what Beshear's hair does; Beshear's hair is sort of like mine but my son's hair is nothing of the sort).
 
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