Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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I think it is quite interesting that this is now on page 16. Newsom certainly has us talking.

I'll admit that early on I was really impressed with his polish and speaking ability, especially while "in the moment" in interviews and such. But reading this thread I think I'm coming around to understanding he is probably not the guy for 2028. For one, whoever the candidate is in 2028 has to be MUCH more than "Trump bad" and has to connect to the voters that the Democrats seem to have lost - mainly, working class independents - on an emotional level. Newsom is sorta like Romney without being Mormon.

But I think we can legit feel good about Newsom's taking the lead on punching back at Trump - regardless of his motivations - and at the same time have serious reservations about his presidential election chances. In fact I think to echo some of the sentiment on this thread, Newsom's response should be celebrated and provide an example for other Democrat leaders.
 
Centerpiece said:
This^^^
Was there anyone at the 2024 DNC with a killer speech?
Obviously, it was all about Harris/Walz... and nobody could match Obama's 2004 speech... but was there anyone who spoke which stood out? Mayor Pete? Coop? Wes Moore? Warnock? Anybody?
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That is, ironically, also not entirely true.

 
heelwithnoname said:
^^ "Was there anyone at the 2024 DNC with a killer speech?"

Hell I'm a recovering Republican and I was fired up with Michelle Obama's speech...
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Good example... but 2016 and 2024 proves we're not ready to elect a woman pres. Sorry, but it's true.
Trump lost to the only man he ran against. He beat both of the women.

Do you think the Obama name can carry the load in and of itself? Perhaps... but it's the fact that the Dems have tried to run a woman twice and lost to the WORST man on the planet... twice!
 
You are 100% correct unfortunately, and I don't think that Michelle Obama would have a snowball's chance.

BUT she/her speech is a good example of connecting emotionally - albeit in a very friendly environment - which is what I think we're saying Newsom does not do.
 
All those folks are great... but I'm skeptical that a nation which elected the worst man on the planet - twice - will elect another Black man, nor will they elect a woman (and certainly not a woman of color), nor will they elect an LGBTQ person. Sorry Michelle, Mayor Pete, Gretchen, Raphael, Wes...

It's simply going to have to be a white, straight male... even one of a milquetoast variety like Coop. This is why somebody like Gavin gets any air at all.

Is Amerikkka ready for a Shapiro? Not sure.

I think they would vote in a Beshear...
I think they may even vote for a Stein...
Or a Jeff Jackson - eventually
 
Centerpiece said:
All those folks are great... but I'm skeptical that a nation which elected the worst man on the planet - twice - will elect another Black man, nor will they elect a woman (and certainly not a woman of color), nor will they elect an LGBTQ person. Sorry Michelle, Mayor Pete, Gretchen, Raphael, Wes...

It's simply going to have to be a white, straight male... even one of a milquetoast variety like Coop. This is why somebody like Gavin gets any air at all.

Is Amerikkka ready for a Shapiro? Not sure.

I think they would vote in a Beshear...
I think they may even vote for a Stein...
Or a Jeff Jackson - eventually
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Agreeed. Is Josh Stein Jewish? I assume not if NC elected him. He sounded great on Colbert interview.
 
heelwithnoname said:
You are 100% correct unfortunately, and I don't think that Michelle Obama would have a snowball's chance.
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She would win going away. She's also expressed repeatedly that she has zero interest in ever running. Those two facts are, sadly, related.

For some reason, Americans have decided that, in a world in which retailers ask prospective clerks if they have any retail experience, it's actually a good feature for the president to have zero experience. It's most GOPers of course, but still.
 
Kingpin said:
Agreeed. Is Josh Stein Jewish? I assume not if NC elected him. He sounded great on Colbert interview.
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Yes, he is Jewish. His Dad was a big-time civil rights lawyer in Chapel Hill in the 1960s. And his last name is Stein. Those three facts together should tell you that there is a 99% chance he is Jewish. But yes, he is Jewish, and he is the first Jew to hold statewide office (when he became AG in 2016).
 
Calheel said:
Yes, he is Jewish. His Dad was a big-time civil rights lawyer in Chapel Hill in the 1960s. And his last name is Stein. Those three facts together should tell you that there is a 99% chance he is Jewish. But yes, he is Jewish, and he is the first Jew to hold statewide office (when he became AG in 2016).
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The three facts being: a) dad; b) last name; and c) he's Jewish? I think you've underestimated the probability of him being Jewish. I think it's higher than 99%, based on those facts.
 
superrific said:
The three facts being: a) dad; b) last name; and c) he's Jewish? I think you've underestimated the probability of him being Jewish. I think it's higher than 99%, based on those facts.
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Chapel Hill and Civil Rights lawyer in the 1960s.
 
EyeballKid said:
Hochul and Pritzker jump on the train, publicly dare Trump/Homan to arrest them.


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Irrespective of your thoughts on Newsom, this is one of the reasons why high profile rhetorical pushback on Trump was the right thing to do. It can inject courage into the conversation, alliances against a common foe, steal the fascists’ spotlight, etc. Priztker and Hochul are more measured than Newsom’s look-at-me personality, but now they are in the high profile fight, in part because Newsom punched back. That’s good, imo.
 
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Healing said:
Irrespective of your thoughts on Newsom, this is one of the reasons why high profile rhetorical pushback on Trump was the right thing to do. It can inject courage into the conversation, alliances against a common foe, steal the fascists’ stoplight, etc. Priztker and Hochul are more measured than Newsom’s look-at-me personality, but now they are in the high profile fight, in part because Newsom punched back. That’s good, imo.
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I don't think either of them needed Newsom to motivate them. They both have eyes on higher office, especially Prtizker, and nothing would make them more popular than to be arrested. I am as cynical about these kind of PR moves with those two as I am with Newsom.
 
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