Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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All those folks are great... but I'm skeptical that a nation which elected the worst man on the planet - twice - will elect another Black man, nor will they elect a woman (and certainly not a woman of color), nor will they elect an LGBTQ person. Sorry Michelle, Mayor Pete, Gretchen, Raphael, Wes...

It's simply going to have to be a white, straight male... even one of a milquetoast variety like Coop. This is why somebody like Gavin gets any air at all.

Is Amerikkka ready for a Shapiro? Not sure.

I think they would vote in a Beshear...
I think they may even vote for a Stein...
Or a Jeff Jackson - eventually
 
Centerpiece said:
All those folks are great... but I'm skeptical that a nation which elected the worst man on the planet - twice - will elect another Black man, nor will they elect a woman (and certainly not a woman of color), nor will they elect an LGBTQ person. Sorry Michelle, Mayor Pete, Gretchen, Raphael, Wes...

It's simply going to have to be a white, straight male... even one of a milquetoast variety like Coop. This is why somebody like Gavin gets any air at all.

Is Amerikkka ready for a Shapiro? Not sure.

I think they would vote in a Beshear...
I think they may even vote for a Stein...
Or a Jeff Jackson - eventually
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Agreeed. Is Josh Stein Jewish? I assume not if NC elected him. He sounded great on Colbert interview.
 
heelwithnoname said:
You are 100% correct unfortunately, and I don't think that Michelle Obama would have a snowball's chance.
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She would win going away. She's also expressed repeatedly that she has zero interest in ever running. Those two facts are, sadly, related.

For some reason, Americans have decided that, in a world in which retailers ask prospective clerks if they have any retail experience, it's actually a good feature for the president to have zero experience. It's most GOPers of course, but still.
 
Kingpin said:
Agreeed. Is Josh Stein Jewish? I assume not if NC elected him. He sounded great on Colbert interview.
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Yes, he is Jewish. His Dad was a big-time civil rights lawyer in Chapel Hill in the 1960s. And his last name is Stein. Those three facts together should tell you that there is a 99% chance he is Jewish. But yes, he is Jewish, and he is the first Jew to hold statewide office (when he became AG in 2016).
 
Calheel said:
Yes, he is Jewish. His Dad was a big-time civil rights lawyer in Chapel Hill in the 1960s. And his last name is Stein. Those three facts together should tell you that there is a 99% chance he is Jewish. But yes, he is Jewish, and he is the first Jew to hold statewide office (when he became AG in 2016).
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The three facts being: a) dad; b) last name; and c) he's Jewish? I think you've underestimated the probability of him being Jewish. I think it's higher than 99%, based on those facts.
 
superrific said:
The three facts being: a) dad; b) last name; and c) he's Jewish? I think you've underestimated the probability of him being Jewish. I think it's higher than 99%, based on those facts.
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Chapel Hill and Civil Rights lawyer in the 1960s.
 
Healing said:
Irrespective of your thoughts on Newsom, this is one of the reasons why high profile rhetorical pushback on Trump was the right thing to do. It can inject courage into the conversation, alliances against a common foe, steal the fascists’ stoplight, etc. Priztker and Hochul are more measured than Newsom’s look-at-me personality, but now they are in the high profile fight, in part because Newsom punched back. That’s good, imo.
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I don't think either of them needed Newsom to motivate them. They both have eyes on higher office, especially Prtizker, and nothing would make them more popular than to be arrested. I am as cynical about these kind of PR moves with those two as I am with Newsom.
 
Calheel said:
I don't think either of them needed Newsom to motivate them. They both have eyes on higher office, especially Prtizker, and nothing would make them more popular than to be arrested. I am as cynical about these kind of PR moves with those two as I am with Newsom.
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I promise you Kathy Hochul does not have eyes on a higher office. Not unless she's loco. She's going to have her hands full to win re-election as a Dem in NY
 
superrific said:
I promise you Kathy Hochul does not have eyes on a higher office. Not unless she's loco. She's going to have her hands full to win re-election as a Dem in NY
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She has tacked right -- well she has tacked all over the place actually. Having trouble winning New York may or may not be disqualifying for winning higher office.

In any event, if Donald Trump were to arrest her, she'd likely gain 20 points popularity overnight and cruise to re-election. So, my point still stands about these politicians affirmatively wanting to be arrested.
 
Paine said:
Reagan’s policies were disastrous for working people, but he won many of them over by making them feel seen, hopeful, and part of something bigger. The problem isn’t just that he lied, it’s that he lied well. He understood that in American politics, especially presidential politics, emotional resonance often matters more than policy specifics.
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Considering your critique of the Democratic party writ large as well as recent democratic election results, a cynic might read this to mean you're saying the Dems need better liars...
 
Kingpin said:
I really like Stein in his interview. Does he have a chance at the national level?
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My guess is that he has aspirations of running at the national level, but he doesn’t currently have the name recognition that other potential candidates have.
 
Calheel said:
I don't think either of them needed Newsom to motivate them. They both have eyes on higher office, especially Prtizker, and nothing would make them more popular than to be arrested. I am as cynical about these kind of PR moves with those two as I am with Newsom.
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And the left-wing circular firing squad rearranges itself to take down a few others who speak out publicly against Trump.
 
EyeballKid said:
And the left-wing circular firing squad rearranges itself to take down a few others who speak out publicly against Trump.
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I am just not a big fan of the "arrest me" schtick for politicians. Whether that comes from Newsom or Pritzker. It is not the biggest issue in the world, and I am not shooting anyone. As I have made very clear on this thread, I think Newsom's issues run far greater than his fake Jacob Soboroff interview "arrest me" schtick. But I am also not going to get stoked that other politicians are now imitating this fake tough guy routine.
 
Now I see how annoying and frustrating it has to be for Dem leaders to have to deal with some folks who call themselves Democrats. Some people can't get out of their own way.
 
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