Gavin Newsom addresses the nation

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Calheel said:
So 4 democrats have won: Carter, Clinton, Obama and Biden. Only 50% of the winners had "it" per your analysis.

The "it" isn't why any of those candidates won. Each case involved voting against the other party. One thing Carter, Clinton and Obama shared was youth and few negatives due to a meteoric rise. Same with JFK.

Nominating a candidate based on perceived "itness" is a path to political ruin.
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Tell me how your list of boring ass white guys wins in 2028…..,especially since it’s a list almost devoid of straight, white Christians from the South or Midwest?
 
Zoo_View said:
Tell me how your list of boring ass white guys wins in 2028…..,especially since it’s a list almost devoid of straight, white Christians from the South or Midwest?
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Cal is so dead set against Newsom, his own alternative list of candidates comes back to bite him in the arse. And the whole Fetterman thing has people wondering: WTH happened to Calheel?

I will say, Cal is from California and he knows better than any of us the skeletons in Gavin’s closet. Grant him that. Also, his description of a winning candidate is not totally off base: White. Straight. Male. Not too old. From a part of the Country that’s not going to flip out too many voters (in other words not Cali or NY).

We all want the same thing. A W in 2026, and in 2028. I’m not going to beat up on Calheel just because he thinks there may be better options than Newsom. But I’ll have to assume the Fetterman thing was a red herring to show just how much against Newsom he really is and not really a full throated endorsement of Fett.
 
Southern States (Republican Governors)

• Alabama – Governor Kay Ivey (Republican)

• Arkansas – Governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders (Republican)

• Florida – Governor Ron DeSantis (Republican)

• Georgia – Governor Brian Kemp (Republican)

• Louisiana – Governor Jeff Landry (Republican)

• Mississippi – Governor Tate Reeves (Republican)

• South Carolina – Governor Henry McMaster (Republican)

• Tennessee – Governor Bill Lee (Republican)

• Texas – Governor Greg Abbott (Republican)

‘ West Virginia - Governor Patrick Morrisey (Republican)


Midwestern states with current Republican governors:

• Indiana – Governor Mike Braun (Republican)

• Iowa – Governor Kim Reynolds (Republican)

• Missouri – Governor Mike Kehoe (Republican) (took office January 2025)

• Nebraska – Governor Jim Pillen (Republican)

• North Dakota – Governor Kelly Armstrong (Republican)

• Ohio – Governor Mike DeWine (Republican)

‘ Oklahoma - Governor Kevin Stitt (Republican)

• South Dakota – Governor Larry Rhoden (Republican) (since Jan 2025)

And then there are the Congressional Crazies of MAGAWorld

Vance

Noem

Gabbard

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Fetterman’s stances and health are likely to both worsen. They’re already both pretty bad. He was an interesting “Joe the Plumber” type once but that ship sailed and sank.

Newsom’s got 3 years to go - watch how MAGA responds to him and how he responds to that. He’s pretty cardboard to my eyes but there’s a lot of time yet.

There’s still an Obama in the house (a kingmaker and queen). They still serve.

The world isn’t sane enough, and unlikely to get soberer, that you can scoff at Colbert. Or even Stewart.

Buttigieg - man he’s sharp - how traditional are the Independents?

Stein and Beshear are the only Dem Governors. Is Beshear the guy?

Shapiro? Pritzker? Whitmer?

trump’s authoritarianism and attempts to nullify constitutional government will tell the tale. Without an electoral uprising in 2026 the election in 2028 won’t matter. Without both individual effective (and performative) resistance AND collective organizing 2028 won’t matter.
 
Calheel said:
This has nothing to do with who I would personally prefer to be president. If we could just appoint a prime minister, like in a parliamentary system, I’d feel completely different.

But Democrats must win the presidency in 2028. We need the absolute easiest possible candidate to elect. One with as few negatives as possible. I’d be fine with a Congressman or celebrity because inexperience is not a negative in today’s environment.

So this has nothing to do with “liking” a candidate. I “like” Mayor Pete but this is not the cycle for him.
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We disagree. Every candidate is going to have negatives. Lord knows that the democratic party magnifies them brighter than the American facist party.

I believe Newsom messaging outshines his negatives. Assuming we have elections in '28, I have more faith that he will articulate a winning platform after 3+ years of Project 2025 than any candidate this side of Mayor Pete. Mayor Pete would be my preferred candidate, but our country has shown that we still trail the developed world in entrusting someone besides old rich white men.
 
Calheel said:
I mentioned he was the worst on my list. But I’d still pick him over Newsom. Fetterman’s negatives could be managed with a good campaign. Newsom’s are baked in and would be deadly in the swing states.

Of course, Fetterman is never going to run and would never win the nomination so it is a moot point. But yeah, give me Fetterman all day over Newsom.
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I don’t like Newsom, as I don’t trust anyone who’s too slick by half. Yet, there is no chance, none, that the most telegenic, aggressive, and fluent high profile Dem is a worse pick - bc CA - than a man who has language processing disorder; has been hospitalized for weeks because of heart disease, depression, and multiple strokes; who’s personality and POLITICAL POSITIONS have dramatically changed; and who’s staff and wife find him dangerous. Meemaw, Ricky, and Stephanie over there in Fuquay just voted three times for a NY billionaire who shits in gold toilets, was a lifelong democrat, publicly cheated on three wives, and openly talked down to Meemaw, Ricky, and Stephanie.

I can only figure you’re doing a bit or infusing hyperbole to emphasize your point, or Gavin really did personally steal something value to you (were you with Kimberley first?). Bc if you’re serious about Fetterman, I suspect you’re on a “rational” island all of your own making - well, I’m sure you’ll have a couple of compatriots - maybe they’ll bring their cardboard cutouts.

Hell, Kamala just lost by 1.5% and her political negatives were widespread: CA, woman POC (sorry, it’s still true in this shithole), inconsistent charisma, invisible VP role, and tied at the hip to Biden’s cognition and perception of inflation. She actually had strong momentum with the aggressive first month, then her campaign was consulted into milquetoast mediocrity.
 
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After hearing Senator Slotkin, I think she would make a wonderful first woman President. Same with Amy Klobuchar. Same with Whitmer.
But ladies are a non-starter in this misogynistic country.
People love Mayor Pete. But again, non-starter.
I think Roy Cooper would be an excellent Dem Prez. But he's running for Senate, so...
Despite what Cal says, I think Gavin could get it done.
I still like Gov. Andy. Same with Shapiro.

But of all the politicians whom I've heard or I'm familiar with - I think Jeff Jackson would be the best.
Pragmatic. Great messaging. Perfect in today's tweeting/tiktok/YouTube world. Young. Straight. White. Married with children. Male. Served in the military. He ain't gonna do a John Edwards or Cal Cunningham. Served in Congress. Served in NC State Legislature. Serving as AG in a very large State. (I think NC checks in in the top ten in population as well as in other metrics for measuring "largeness"). And, he's NEVER lost a political race. (Yes, he voluntarily dropped out of a senate race to endorse Beasley, but he didn't lose by the vote. I say Jackson would have beaten Budd had he not acquiesced to Cheri)
Jeff also checks every single box in Calheel's wish list.
 
Centerpiece said:
After hearing Senator Slotkin, I think she would make a wonderful first woman President. Same with Amy Klobuchar. Same with Whitmer.
But ladies are a non-starter in this misogynistic country.
People love Mayor Pete. But again, non-starter.
I think Roy Cooper would be an excellent Dem Prez. But he's running for Senate, so...
Despite what Cal says, I think Gavin could get it done.
I still like Gov. Andy. Same with Shapiro.

But of all the politicians whom I've heard or I'm familiar with - I think Jeff Jackson would be the best.
Pragmatic. Great messaging. Perfect in today's tweeting/tiktok/YouTube world. Young. Straight. White. Married with children. Male. Served in the military. He ain't gonna do a John Edwards or Cal Cunningham. Served in Congress. Served in NC State Legislature. Serving as AG in a very large State. (I think NC checks in in the top ten in population as well as in other metrics for measuring "largeness"). And, he's NEVER lost a political race. (Yes, he voluntarily dropped out of a senate race to endorse Beasley, but he didn't lose by the vote. I say Jackson would have beaten Budd had he not acquiesced to Cheri)
Jeff also checks every single box in Calheel's wish list.
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How tall is Jackson?

Jeff-Jackson-and-Kent-Blevins.jpg

Trying to get a read...he doesn't seem "short" per se -- maybe 5-10, 5-11?
 
This upcoming cycle is awkward for Jeff Actively campaigning for another job while he is serving NC is not a good look-until he is campaigning for a Senate seat for NC perhaps
And being Atty gen of NC is not a platform for the Presidency. Jeff is waaay young...he has time . I have a pair of hiking boots older than Jeff I mean the bottoms are too slick now -but I have them for knocking around..........
 
Centerpiece said:
Cal is so dead set against Newsom, his own alternative list of candidates comes back to bite him in the arse. And the whole Fetterman thing has people wondering: WTH happened to Calheel?

I will say, Cal is from California and he knows better than any of us the skeletons in Gavin’s closet. Grant him that. Also, his description of a winning candidate is not totally off base: White. Straight. Male. Not too old. From a part of the Country that’s not going to flip out too many voters (in other words not Cali or NY).

We all want the same thing. A W in 2026, and in 2028. I’m not going to beat up on Calheel just because he thinks there may be better options than Newsom. But I’ll have to assume the Fetterman thing was a red herring to show just how much against Newsom he really is and not really a full throated endorsement of Fett.
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I certainly hope so....but he also hasn't backed off of that. The inclusion of Fetterman serves to undercut any other value.

Im not a Newsom fan either, but Fetterman is just pure insanity.
 
Healing said:
I don’t like Newsom, as I don’t trust anyone who’s too slick by half. Yet, there is no chance, none, that the most telegenic, aggressive, and fluent high profile Dem is a worse pick - bc CA - than a man who has language processing disorder; has been hospitalized for weeks because of heart disease, depression, and multiple strokes; who’s personality and POLITICAL POSITIONS have dramatically changed; and who’s staff and wife find him dangerous. Meemaw, Ricky, and Stephanie over there in Fuquay just voted three times for a NY billionaire who shits in gold toilets, was a lifelong democrat, publicly cheated on three wives, and openly talked down to Meemaw, Ricky, and Stephanie.

I can only figure you’re doing a bit or infusing hyperbole to emphasize your point, or Gavin really did personally steal something value to you (were you with Kimberley first?). Bc if you’re serious about Fetterman, I suspect you’re on a “rational” island all of your own making - well, I’m sure you’ll have a couple of compatriots - maybe they’ll bring their cardboard cutouts.

Hell, Kamala just lost by 1.5% and her political negatives were widespread: CA, woman (sorry, it’s still true in this shithole), inconsistent charisma, invisible VP role, and tied at the hip to Biden’s cognition and perception of inflation. She actually had strong momentum with the aggressive first month, then her campaign was consulted into milquetoast mediocrity.
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Agreed on Kamala's first month or so. I think people have forgotten that she did get off to a strong start - lots of huge crowds and enthusiasm, doing well in the polls, and her pick of Walz was regarded as solid and he hit a home run, imo, with the whole "they're weird!" line of attack, which seemed to have the GOP on the defensive for a few weeks. And then they suddenly dropped the "weird" attack, and as you said they become much less aggressive and Republicans regained the narrative and the momentum. I still doubt she would have won even if she had kept up the style of her first few weeks, but it certainly would have given her a better chance of winning than what her campaign turned into later. IMO, Biden was an anchor around her neck that she could never break, and combined with the fact that she was a woman of color from California and the whole "inflation!" charge (which Republicans don't seem to care about now) it was just too much to overcome. But I do think her campaign got off to a good start; unfortunately it didn't last.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I certainly hope so....but he also hasn't backed off of that. The inclusion of Fetterman serves to undercut any other value.

Im not a Newsom fan either, but Fetterman is just pure insanity.
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It honestly wouldn't surprise me if Fetterman switched parties and ran as a Republican for a second term, if he runs at all. He still has some Democratic views (pro-union mostly) but he's definitely become a lot friendlier to a lot of Republican culture war social issue positions.
 
Centerpiece said:
I got a selfie with him last year... he's a solid 6'-1" or 6'-2"... I'm 6'-2" and he was eye to eye with me in the photo.
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I hate to break it to you, but if you're eye to eye with Jeff Jackson you're not 6'2".

My kid met him last year and they're right at the same height in the photo I'm looking at...my kid is 5'10". Given the differences in shoes, I'd say he's most likely ~5'11".
 
donbosco said:
How tall is Jackson?

Jeff-Jackson-and-Kent-Blevins.jpg

Trying to get a read...he doesn't seem "short" per se -- maybe 5-10, 5-11?
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I have personally met and talked with Jeff Jackson, eye to eye, several times. I used to be 6'2". I am curently 5'11". So my guess, 5'11".
 
SnoopRob said:
I hate to break it to you, but if you're eye to eye with Jeff Jackson you're not 6'2".

My kid met him last year and they're right at the same height in the photo I'm looking at...my kid is 5'10". Given the differences in shoes, I'd say he's most likely ~5'11".
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Yeah, he’s definitely not over 6 feet. I’ve stood near him at least a couple times and he appears around my height if not slightly shorter than me. I’m 5’11”.
 
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