Going after Greenland

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aGDevil2k said:
Agree I think - but what are we worried ABOUT? What are we worried will happen? I can't put my finger on it. Someone attacks the USA? Kind of know it's coming. Breaking up of the world order? Get it over with....the nation of North Carolina will be meager but hopefully OK. I figure a Luxembourg type of place.
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Well for one thing Luxembourg is about 1/13 the population of NC. For another life in NC would not be so grand when the more bellicose southern states started invading.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Kind of why I want it to just get here and get it over with
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Do you really feel this way? Like you would rather be living through WWIII, death and destruction on a cataclysmic scale, than what we're going right now?

Part of the reason we're in this position is that it's been so long since the World Wars that people in countries like the US have forgotten the horror of total war and what it really means. Since the conclusion of the Vietnam War the USA has suffered something like 8,000-10,000 deaths from war or other armed conflict, almost all of which occurred thousands of miles from American soil. The vast majority of those came in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have to go back to WWII and the bombing of Pearl Harbor to find a time when US civilians on US soil had any fear of a military attack, much less experienced one, not including the 9/11 terrorist attack which was obviously horrific but also a one-off event.

Like, I am as depressed as anyone about the current state of affairs. But it's about ten standard deviations better than having to actually live through a large-scale military conflict. We desperately need to reverse our slide towards fascism and greater risk of global conflict, but I just can't get behind the idea that those things are so inevitable that we should wish for them to come faster.
 
rodoheel said:
Do you really feel this way? Like you would rather be living through WWIII, death and destruction on a cataclysmic scale, than what we're going right now?

Part of the reason we're in this position is that it's been so long since the World Wars that people in countries like the US have forgotten the horror of total war and what it really means. Since the conclusion of the Vietnam War the USA has suffered something like 8,000-10,000 deaths from war or other armed conflict, almost all of which occurred thousands of miles from American soil. The vast majority of those came in Iraq and Afghanistan. You have to go back to WWII and the bombing of Pearl Harbor to find a time when US civilians on US soil had any fear of a military attack, much less experienced one, not including the 9/11 terrorist attack which was obviously horrific but also a one-off event.

Like, I am as depressed as anyone about the current state of affairs. But it's about ten standard deviations better than having to actually live through a large-scale military conflict. We desperately need to reverse our slide towards fascism and greater risk of global conflict, but I just can't get behind the idea that those things are so inevitable that we should wish for them to come faster.
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No I dont want it to happen, but if it is, just go ahead and happen. We have no checks on the president any longer. So if he wants to do something, he will. The SCOTUS is basically pointless and so is Congress
 
aGDevil2k said:
No I dont want it to happen, but if it is, just go ahead and happen. We have no checks on the president any longer. So if he wants to do something, he will. The SCOTUS is basically pointless and so is Congress
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I don't think it's inevitable that any particular thing is going to happen. We often make/hear proclamations that things are "too far gone" but I never buy into that. The fates of countries, and leaders, often rise and fall in ways that are difficult to predict. No matter how much he wants to be, Trump is not all-powerful and he is not unstoppable, either by foreign or domestic actors. It may well take genuine horror and destruction to shake us (Americans, and more broadly the entire Western world) from this current infatuation with neo-imperialism, fascism, and nationalism, but I don't think that is inevitable and we should never give up trying to keep it from happening.
 
aGDevil2k said:
No I dont want it to happen, but if it is, just go ahead and happen. We have no checks on the president any longer. So if he wants to do something, he will. The SCOTUS is basically pointless and so is Congress
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That is where I am too. I do think it will happen.

I still have hope that Congress will wake the f’ up and end this insanity before WW3 starts.
 
It is not like we have not been warned.

If you have not done already watched it, the entire CNN interview with Jake Tapper and S teven M iller can be found on youtube. Side point, Miller's comments were make on the eve of the 5th anniversary of the JAN 6th insurrection.

 
rodoheel said:
I don't think it's inevitable that any particular thing is going to happen. We often make/hear proclamations that things are "too far gone" but I never buy into that. The fates of countries, and leaders, often rise and fall in ways that are difficult to predict. No matter how much he wants to be, Trump is not all-powerful and he is not unstoppable, either by foreign or domestic actors. It may well take genuine horror and destruction to shake us (Americans, and more broadly the entire Western world) from this current infatuation with neo-imperialism, fascism, and nationalism, but I don't think that is inevitable and we should never give up trying to keep it from happening.
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"To wit: history admits no rules; only outcomes. What precipitates outcomes? Vicious acts and virtues acts. What precipitates acts? Belief."

To follow up - I agree. I'm not certain, however, how to enact effective change, on a personal/group/societal level. This doesn't feel like something that just be waited out, but I'm also not sure what level of "genuine horror and destruction" will shake the American public enough to be the catalyst for that change.
 
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aGDevil2k said:
No I dont want it to happen, but if it is, just go ahead and happen. We have no checks on the president any longer. So if he wants to do something, he will. The SCOTUS is basically pointless and so is Congress
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And of course, if we happen to have a Democratic president while we still have this SCOTUS or a SCOTUS that is substantially similar to this one, precedent will be dammed and SCOTUS will find the most arbitrary reasons why its rulings that let Trump do whatever he wants don’t apply to the Democratic president.
 
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