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bridgetender said:
It is ridiculous to claim to read the variety of news sources you have claimed on this very thread and post that Isreal is a defensive nation. The world is standing by watching Isreal commit genocide in Gaza for fear of being labeled "antisemitic", as well as watching them destroy Lebanon villages under the ridiculous guise of going after Hamas.

You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
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You seem to be handicapped by not knowing the difference between offensive and defensive. Every bit of this from Israel’s perspective comes from the Hamas attack. Israel stated at the time they were never going to go through that again and was going to do whatever it took to ensure it. Short memories from many on here.
 
Zoo_View said:
This is a BS war.

Started by a poorly informed POTUS.

A war started with no consultation with our NATO or Asian allies.

Maybe with no consultation with our Gulf “allies.” Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, and the other Gulf states are not American allies. But, their opinions on starting a war in their front yard matter.

We did consult with Israel. Israel is NOT an American ally. Israel is NO ONE’S ally. You either back Israel 100% or you can fuck off and die.

A war started with no clear objectives. A war started with no Congressional or popular support.

What should we do?

Well, we broke it. As did Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and Dubya in Iraq.

We can’t fix it.

So, I advocate we leave.
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All the blah, blah, blah (like I didn’t already know your pretext). Could have just skipped straight to the “i advocate we leave” part. WM’s take on leaving didn’t surprise me. Your’s does slightly, but maybe not. I’d have to put a little more thought into it.
 
thebruinbleedstarheelblue said:
We can talk opinions going forward, would you agree on facts?

What really set off the war at this specific time?

Before we started this war, what was the status of the Strait and Iran.

Was it your opinion that we should have attacked Iran before Trump did it.

What is the current US/global opinion of this Korean gov't? (you stated that the world thinks that they are a good actor... that's not what I'm saying about this regime)

Is this a war success or failure based on the stated goals?
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How can you claim it’s either until it’s concluded? So far successful but can turn into failure if when we leave Iran still has HEU and still extorting shipping traffic in the strait.
 
Callatoroy said:
It was always going to be necessary. It was just a matter of when with the mullahs in charge. Israel was never going to abide by the jcpoa and admitted as much.
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Israel wasn’t a signor of the jcpoa and if they did “abide” by it for 13 years until they finally found a stooge in the White House to do their bidding.
 
Callatoroy said:
Israel should not have attacked Hamas on oct 7. Hamas was just minding their own business. Why do you conveniently forget that?
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They took the retaliation all the way to genocide.

Hamas being wrong doesn't make all of Isreal's actions justified.
 
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warmonger Lady G has given a clear and concise definition of "victory "

the reopen of the strait

www.rawstory.com

Lindsey Graham mocked online for his 'bizarre definition of victory' in Iran war

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) set off a round of brutal mockery for providing his definition of victory in the Iran war.The South Carolina Republican and longtime champion for bombing Iran appeared Monday night on Fox News, where host Sean Hannity asked him to what terms would be necessary for the...
www.rawstory.com www.rawstory.com
 
UNCatTech said:
They took the retaliation all the way to genocide.

Hamas being wrong doesn't make all of Isreal's actions justified.
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Hamas (Iran / hezbelah) wasnt just wrong. They were intentionally as brutal as possible to inflict maximum terror. You obviously haven’t educated yourself about the level of brutality used. Israel stated at the time they were not going to stop until they had wiped out Hamas. Hamas was the ones hiding behind their women’s skirts and under their kids beds. How should Israel fight against that? Just like the left always does, it applies some extreme label (in this case genocide) for shock value and then runs it into the ground until it actually believes it’s on bullshit and the label becomes meaningless. When you are committing genocide, you don’t give advance warning or give time for civilians to clear out. There was / is an attempt at genocide. Leave it to you guys though to get it wrong as to who was intent on genocide. Just so you know who that was, it was the ones who have stated publicly their purpose in life is to wipe Israel from existence. It’s like some electrical circuit in the part of the brain that controls logic gets shorted out. You turn criminals into victims and victims into villains.
 
Callatoroy said:
Hamas (Iran / hezbelah) wasnt just wrong. They were intentionally as brutal as possible to inflict maximum terror. You obviously haven’t educated yourself about the level of brutality used. Israel stated at the time they were not going to stop until they had wiped out Hamas. Hamas was the ones hiding behind their women’s skirts and under their kids beds. How should Israel fight against that? Just like the left always does, it applies some extreme label (in this case genocide) for shock value and then runs it into the ground until it actually believes it’s on bullshit and the label becomes meaningless. When you are committing genocide, you don’t give advance warning or give time for civilians to clear out. There was / is an attempt at genocide. Leave it to you guys though to get it wrong as to who was intent on genocide. Just so you know who that was, it was the ones who have stated publicly their purpose in life is to wipe Israel from existence. It’s like some electrical circuit in the part of the brain that controls logic gets shorted out. You turn criminals into victims and victims into villains.
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And what part of Israel won't stop means we should be involved in their fight? Not just involved, but sacrificing FAR more in terms of cost...

If they want to fight to the bitter end, let them. We are not Israel's attack dog.
 
Callatoroy said:
Hamas (Iran / hezbelah) wasnt just wrong. They were intentionally as brutal as possible to inflict maximum terror. You obviously haven’t educated yourself about the level of brutality used. Israel stated at the time they were not going to stop until they had wiped out Hamas. Hamas was the ones hiding behind their women’s skirts and under their kids beds. How should Israel fight against that? Just like the left always does, it applies some extreme label (in this case genocide) for shock value and then runs it into the ground until it actually believes it’s on bullshit and the label becomes meaningless. When you are committing genocide, you don’t give advance warning or give time for civilians to clear out. There was / is an attempt at genocide. Leave it to you guys though to get it wrong as to who was intent on genocide. Just so you know who that was, it was the ones who have stated publicly their purpose in life is to wipe Israel from existence. It’s like some electrical circuit in the part of the brain that controls logic gets shorted out. You turn criminals into victims and victims into villains.
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You are clear eyed on Hamas. I see them the same way you do, and I know many, if not most people here do as well. I don’t understand why you can’t see the Israeli regime with similar clarity.
 
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