GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[Paine]

You're right about that ad. It was effective because it tied Trump's favorite conspiratorial villain -- literally "They" or "Them" -- to Kamala in a way that also highlighted the trans issue.

But otherwise -- maybe we should think of their trans emphasis as like insulin. It makes possible the absorption of other conspiracies.

Were you the person who pointed out that their hysteria about trans is predominantly one-way, and that it is about gender ultimately? Anyway, I completely agree with that. It's correct.

On the other hand, I didn't follow HB1 closely but wasn't the real problem that it was costly? That it was chasing away businesses?

In terms of the bathroom bill, I think that was a big part of it. I think there was some sporting event that pulled out of the state? I know the film industry in NC also took a hit from it.

And yeah, I pointed it out a day or so ago. They only ever talk about trans women. Deep down, they acknowledge why a woman would want to transition to or identity as a man. If you’re a misogynist and think women are inherently inferior to men, why wouldn’t you want to be a man?

What they can’t tolerate is a man who denies conforming to non-traditional gender roles, let alone non-traditional gender presentation or expression. The very idea is an attack on their ideological and cultural frameworks.

 

[lawtig02]

You seem to have a habit of not reading your own links. Why is that?

Just for the benefit of those not inclined to click the links --

"Still, the assaults appear to have little to do with the attacker’s gender identity, according to documents filed with the family’s lawsuit. Teachers say he preferred and requested male pronouns, according to a report by a law firm that investigated the assault."

 

[Paine]

Agree with you about the ad. Not sure I agree about HB2. While that was a disaster for the Pubs in the short term, I think it's actually an underappreciated part of the reason Pubs moved so rapidly away from corporatism and toward populism in the following years. Huge percentages of people looked at the corporate blowback to HB2 and concluded corporate America was hopelessly woke and fundamentally unaligned with their values. That was part of the process that severed the remaining ties between the GOP base and the party's business-first roots, and created space for a "burn it all down" anarchist like Trump to fill.

I think that does make sense looking back in context with Trump. I’m of the belief that the forces that produced Trump were strong enough that it happens with or without the transphobia. Idk.

 

[lawtig02]

I think that does make sense looking back in context with Trump. I’m of the belief that the forces that produced Trump were strong enough that it happens with or without the transphobia. Idk.

I agree with that. The transphobia is part of the story, but certainly doesn't fully account for the rise of MAGA.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Trans people are four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime.

More than 40% of transgender adults in the United States have attempted suicide.

GQP: Good.

You fucking people are monsters.

Not to mention the absurd hypocrisy of claiming to speak for women's rights and the "safety" of women when Trump - himself found liable in court for sexual abuse - has nominated a cabinet full of credibly accused rapists, sexual assaulters, sex traffickers, and men credibly accused of sleeping with underage girls. Quite the motley crew there, but hey, we really do care about women's rights and safety!

 

[Callatoroy]

The funniest thing about the

Fair enough. But explain this to me, then. If you (and I use 'you' to mean the general GOP, not you personally) are soooooooo concerned about women's safety, and you're sooooooo deeply concerned that men are transitioning just to prey on women in bathrooms, why are you not concerned at all about the men who are preying on women (sometimes even underage ones!) out in the open and becoming elected officials? I think if you are very honest with yourself, you know that it isn't some altruistic concern about women's safety.

Not a good argument.

To your points:
Not concerned that its just to prey on women. Concerned that it could ever happen (ala the VA case).
Sorry, point 2 is just hyperbole and not your best effort. Not interested in getting into pissing match over which party cares more. Most people on both sides care about that issue.
I have a wife and daughter. My daughter was sexually harassed and threatened with violence if she told anyone. Her employer had to get LE involved. You are implying something that isn't cool.

 

[Callatoroy]

I have never met a single woman who thinks it's an issue at all. Not a one.

Think this girl and her parents thought it was an issue?

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

 

[uncjhodges]

Think this girl and her parents thought it was an issue?

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

I dont understand, its already illegal to do that and the kid wasn’t transgender. Do you know what it means to be transgender? Have you ever met a male to female transitioning?

 

[Callatoroy]

Trans people are four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime.

More than 40% of transgender adults in the United States have attempted suicide.

GQP: Good.

You fucking people are monsters.

Just the kind of post that brings out the worst in people and attitude that got your ass kicked. I bet the 2 girls in VA who were raped and their parents think its you that is the monster for your enabling the situation to occur. But assholes that call others monsters for their political views are thankfully relegated to tic toc meltdown vids for the next 4 years.

 

[lawtig02]

Not a good argument.

To your points:
Not concerned that its just to prey on women. Concerned that it could ever happen (ala the VA case).
Sorry, point 2 is just hyperbole and not your best effort. Not interested in getting into pissing match over which party cares more. Most people on both sides care about that issue.
I have a wife and daughter. My daughter was sexually harassed and threatened with violence if she told anyone. Her employer had to get LE involved. You are implying something that isn't cool.

Ok, fine. Let's discuss the Virginia case. Dude was not trans. He had committed prior sexual crimes. He was a cis male sexual predator who appears to have camped out in the women's restroom to prey on girls.

Which, exactly, bathroom policies are you suggesting would have stopped someone like that?

 

[Callatoroy]

I dont understand, its already illegal to do that and the kid wasn’t transgender. Do you know what it means to be transgender? Have you ever met a male to female transitioning?

That situation didn't require full transition to be able to access the women's bathroom. Just how you identify. For all I know the kid was just taking advantage of the situation and never identified as female. But the policy afforded him the opportunity which is what conservatives were worried about in the first place.

 

[CFordUNC]

Not a good argument.

To your points:
Not concerned that its just to prey on women. Concerned that it could ever happen (ala the VA case).
Sorry, point 2 is just hyperbole and not your best effort. Not interested in getting into pissing match over which party cares more. Most people on both sides care about that issue.
I have a wife and daughter. My daughter was sexually harassed and threatened with violence if she told anyone. Her employer had to get LE involved. You are implying something that isn't cool.

Wait, what do you think I am implying? I'm not implying anything- the literal incoming president-elect of the United States is an adjudicated sexual predator, and he has nominated for Attorney General someone who has been credibly accused of sex trafficking underage women, and he has nominated for Secretary of Defense someone who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and he has nominated for Secretary of Education someone who has been sued for enabling sexual harassment and obfuscating sexual harassment claims in the workplace. This argument isn't YOUR best effort if you're trying to say that the current incoming Republican administration isn't apparently chock full of people with histories of sexual misconduct. Just because it's uncomfortable for you to acknowledge that you side with a party for whom sexual misconduct isn't a disqualifier, doesn't make it less so. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would want ANY- literally ANY- Democratic candidate or nominee who was credibly accused or adjudicated by a jury of their peers for sexual misconduct to have their elected position or their nomination ended immediately.

My point is that you continue to be a hypocrite whining about transgender people making women uncomfortable, when you have no qualms about voting for people who quite literally commit sexual misconduct against women...and sometimes underage woman at that.

By the way, sincerely very sorry to hear that for your daughter. I don't know you or her, but as a father I want to kick the shit out of the lowlife who sexually harassed her.

 

[Callatoroy]

Speaking as a woman, please don’t make universal assumptions about women’s feelings on the matter.

Many women

 

[Carolina Fever]

How about dumbass. Is that better than monsters? It's not just a political views, either. It's a.matter of common human compassion and decency. What does being trans have anything to do with the VA case?

 

[lawtig02]

Ok, fine. Let's discuss the Virginia case. Dude was not trans. He had committed prior sexual crimes. He was a cis male sexual predator who appears to have camped out in the women's restroom to prey on girls.

Which, exactly, bathroom policies are you suggesting would have stopped someone like that?

For the record, I am 100% in favor of laws that prevent men from putting on skirts, hanging out in school bathrooms, and sexually assaulting women when they come in to use the bathroom. I'm also VERY gratified to know such laws exist in every state in the country. So I'd really like to know what you're suggesting the Virginia schools should have done differently here, other than putting cops in every school bathroom. And if that's your beef, I have the number for a GOP governor you might want to call.

 

[Carolina Fever]

Wait, what do you think I am implying? I'm not implying anything- the literal incoming president-elect of the United States is an adjudicated sexual predator, and he has nominated for Attorney General someone who has been credibly accused of sex trafficking underage women, and he has nominated for Secretary of Defense someone who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and he has nominated for Secretary of Education someone who has been sued for enabling sexual harassment and obfuscating sexual harassment claims in the workplace. This argument isn't YOUR best effort if you're trying to say that the current incoming Republican administration isn't apparently chock full of people with histories of sexual misconduct. Just because it's uncomfortable for you to acknowledge that you side with a party for whom sexual misconduct isn't a disqualifier, doesn't make it less so. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would want ANY- literally ANY- Democratic candidate or nominee who was credibly accused or adjudicated by a jury of their peers for sexual misconduct to have their elected position or their nomination ended immediately.

My point is that you continue to be a hypocrite whining about transgender people making women uncomfortable, when you have no qualms about voting for people who quite literally commit sexual misconduct against women...and sometimes underage woman at that.

By the way, sincerely very sorry to hear that for your daughter. I don't know you or her, but as a father I want to kick the shit out of the lowlife who sexually harassed her.

MAGA and hypocrisy go hand in hand.

 

[nycfan]

 

[uncjhodges]

That situation didn't require full transition to be able to access the women's bathroom. Just how you identify. For all I know the kid was just taking advantage of the situation and never identified as female. But the policy afforded him the opportunity which is what conservatives were worried about in the first place.

A policy that expanded access for transgender students to school facilities was not in place at the time of the assault.


From your own damn link. If you could stop foaming at the mouth to read, you would see that your article has nothing to do with the policy you’re complaining about.

 

[uncjhodges]

Just more identity politics from Democrats

 

[Carolina Fever]

I seriously doubt someone who is going to assault someone in a restroom is worried about whether or not they should be using that restroom in the first place.