GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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If you still have a penis and are simply wearing a dress and make up: You can't use the women's bathroom. There are plenty of unisex bathrooms in the Capital.

If you've gone through with the surgery and have a surgically created vagina: You can use the women's bathroom.
 
lawtig02 said:
Ok, fine. Let's discuss the Virginia case. Dude was not trans. He had committed prior sexual crimes. He was a cis male sexual predator who appears to have camped out in the women's restroom to prey on girls.

Which, exactly, bathroom policies are you suggesting would have stopped someone like that?
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He was waring a skirt. "The family alleges that because Loudoun County Public Schools had been considering a new bathroom policy for transgender students when the assault took place..."

https://le.utah.gov/interim/2024/pdf/00000577.pdf - You can vet them to fit your narrative if you want. I'm not going to. But to say a non transitioned man in a female bathroom is never a threat is false and we can just stop any further discussion because it won't be in good faith.
 
Ramrouser said:
If you still have a penis and are simply wearing a dress and make up: You can't use the women's bathroom. There are plenty of unisex bathrooms in the Capital.

If you've gone through with the surgery and have a surgically created vagina: You can use the women's bathroom.
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Seems simple doesn't it?
 
Callatoroy said:
He was waring a skirt. "The family alleges that because Loudoun County Public Schools had been considering a new bathroom policy for transgender students when the assault took place..."

https://le.utah.gov/interim/2024/pdf/00000577.pdf - You can vet them to fit your narrative if you want. I'm not going to. But to say a non transitioned man in a female bathroom is never a threat is false and we can just stop any further discussion because it won't be in good faith.
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Come on, man. HE WAS NOT TRANS. He was every bit as much a woman-loving cis man as you are. Why do you insist on lying about this?
 
Callatoroy said:
He was waring a skirt. "The family alleges that because Loudoun County Public Schools had been considering a new bathroom policy for transgender students when the assault took place..."

https://le.utah.gov/interim/2024/pdf/00000577.pdf - You can vet them to fit your narrative if you want. I'm not going to. But to say a non transitioned man in a female bathroom is never a threat is false and we can just stop any further discussion because it won't be in good faith.
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You telling other people they aren’t arguing in good faith is hilarious.
 
Callatoroy said:
He was waring a skirt. "The family alleges that because Loudoun County Public Schools had been considering a new bathroom policy for transgender students when the assault took place..."

https://le.utah.gov/interim/2024/pdf/00000577.pdf - You can vet them to fit your narrative if you want. I'm not going to. But to say a non transitioned man in a female bathroom is never a threat is false and we can just stop any further discussion because it won't be in good faith.
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So even when you do read your own links, you don’t understand them. The suit alleges the county covered up the assault because it was considering a policy for transgendered students and was worried about backlash. That policy had not yet been approved. He was not permitted in the girls restroom as a matter of current policy at that time.
 
CFordUNC said:
Wait, what do you think I am implying? I'm not implying anything- the literal incoming president-elect of the United States is an adjudicated sexual predator, and he has nominated for Attorney General someone who has been credibly accused of sex trafficking underage women, and he has nominated for Secretary of Defense someone who has been credibly accused of sexual assault, and he has nominated for Secretary of Education someone who has been sued for enabling sexual harassment and obfuscating sexual harassment claims in the workplace. This argument isn't YOUR best effort if you're trying to say that the current incoming Republican administration isn't apparently chock full of people with histories of sexual misconduct. Just because it's uncomfortable for you to acknowledge that you side with a party for whom sexual misconduct isn't a disqualifier, doesn't make it less so. You can bet your bottom dollar that I would want ANY- literally ANY- Democratic candidate or nominee who was credibly accused or adjudicated by a jury of their peers for sexual misconduct to have their elected position or their nomination ended immediately.

My point is that you continue to be a hypocrite whining about transgender people making women uncomfortable, when you have no qualms about voting for people who quite literally commit sexual misconduct against women...and sometimes underage woman at that.

By the way, sincerely very sorry to hear that for your daughter. I don't know you or her, but as a father I want to kick the shit out of the lowlife who sexually harassed her.
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So what do I do know? Make a list of all the dems who have been accused of sexual assault and then we can argue over which is worse. Do you honestly think the dem party isn't chocked full o people with histories of sexual misconduct? That issue isn't limited to political ideologies. Gaetz was investigated by law enforcement and charges were not brought. That doesn't mean I think he is innocent nor that I support his appointment. Hegseth was accused but no charges and it apparently didn't warrant criminal action. Never heard about it until his appointment. Why? I have nothing to go on but an accusation. Are you saying an accusation is enough for you to make up your mind a dem is guilty? And one of the dems mount rushmore presidents is the poster child for sexual misconduct but they sure as hell weren't straining their vocal chords screaming for him to be put in jail for his rapes nor to be removed from office, and of course the dem senate declined to convict. So there is no room for sanctimony. Find something else to support your position.
 
lawtig02 said:
Just for the benefit of those not inclined to click the links --

"Still, the assaults appear to have little to do with the attacker’s gender identity, according to documents filed with the family’s lawsuit. Teachers say he preferred and requested male pronouns, according to a report by a law firm that investigated the assault."
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Also, "he was wearing a skirt" Why do you think he was wearing a skirt all of a sudden?
 
uncjhodges said:
A policy that expanded access for transgender students to school facilities was not in place at the time of the assault.


From your own damn link. If you could stop foaming at the mouth to read, you would see that your article has nothing to do with the policy you’re complaining about.
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How so? It has everything to do with the policy. Just to review what that policy is that I'm arguing (and Mace, who is a victim of sexual assault by the way)

if you have a penis you use the men's bathroom
if you have a vagina or are fully transitioned from a man to a woman you use the ladies bathroom
if you are anything else you use the unisex bathroom

Why is that so controversial to you?
 
Callatoroy said:
So what do I do know? Make a list of all the dems who have been accused of sexual assault and then we can argue over which is worse. Do you honestly think the dem party isn't chocked full o people with histories of sexual misconduct? That issue isn't limited to political ideologies. Gaetz was investigated by law enforcement and charges were not brought. That doesn't mean I think he is innocent nor that I support his appointment. Hegseth was accused but no charges and it apparently didn't warrant criminal action. Never heard about it until his appointment. Why? I have nothing to go on but an accusation. Are you saying an accusation is enough for you to make up your mind a dem is guilty? And one of the dems mount rushmore presidents is the poster child for sexual misconduct but they sure as hell weren't straining their vocal chords screaming for him to be put in jail for his rapes nor to be removed from office, and of course the dem senate declined to convict. So there is no room for sanctimony. Find something else to support your position.
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Brother, I don't have to find anything else to support my position. You're just not willing to accept and acknowledge that you are trying to simultaneously argue that you are only looking out for the safety of women, while at the same time voting for a party that is in the midst of stocking the presidential cabinet full of sexual deviants who have directly harmed the safety of many women. That's not a fault in my logic or my argument- it's a fault in your morals and ethics.

Trump was convicted by a jury of his peers to be liable for sexual assault. Do you or do you not actually believe in the rule of law? Matt Gaetz just resigned from Congress **before he is even confirmed to be AG** because the House Ethics report that is about to come out is THAT damaging to him as an accused pedophilic statutory rapist. Pete Hegseth had a woman sign an NDA- is that something that you generally do when you've not committed any type of sexual impropriety? Linda McMahon is currently being sued for covering up sexual harassment allegations at the WWE.

Like, what are doing here, man? Surely your partisanship is not *this* tribal that you are going to go to the mat to defend a whole bunch of people with a whole lot of histories of sexual misconduct. Also, did you really use Bill friggin' Clinton as a point of rebuttal about today's Republican Party being full of sexual deviants He hasn't been president in almost 3 decades! Tell you what. When Bill Clinton becomes POTUS, you have my sworn oath that I will scream from the rooftops that he should not be president. And the next time the Democratic Party puts an accused sexual pest in the presidency or in the presidential cabinet, I will absolutely fucking bellow from the rooftops. How does that sound?
 
Callatoroy said:
So what do I do know? Make a list of all the dems who have been accused of sexual assault and then we can argue over which is worse. Do you honestly think the dem party isn't chocked full o people with histories of sexual misconduct? That issue isn't limited to political ideologies. Gaetz was investigated by law enforcement and charges were not brought. That doesn't mean I think he is innocent nor that I support his appointment. Hegseth was accused but no charges and it apparently didn't warrant criminal action. Never heard about it until his appointment. Why? I have nothing to go on but an accusation. Are you saying an accusation is enough for you to make up your mind a dem is guilty? And one of the dems mount rushmore presidents is the poster child for sexual misconduct but they sure as hell weren't straining their vocal chords screaming for him to be put in jail for his rapes nor to be removed from office, and of course the dem senate declined to convict. So there is no room for sanctimony. Find something else to support your position.
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Now do Trump.

apnews.com

Jury finds Trump liable for sexual abuse, awards accuser $5M

A jury has found Donald Trump liable for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996. Jurors awarded her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House. The verdict was announced in a federal courtroom in New York City on...
apnews.com apnews.com

A jury found Donald Trump liable Tuesday for sexually abusing advice columnist E. Jean Carroll in 1996, awarding her $5 million in a judgment that could haunt the former president as he campaigns to regain the White House.
 
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