GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[nycfan]

Its likely less of an issue to men. But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings. Don't be so dismissive of women's feelings. The dems used to champion women's causes but now you seem to abandon them for trans causes. Its not like nothing bad has ever happened. Women have a legit safety issue.

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

Speaking as a woman, please don’t make universal assumptions about women’s feelings on the matter.

 

[CFordUNC]

The funniest thing about the

Its likely less of an issue to men. But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings. Don't be so dismissive of women's feelings. The dems used to champion women's causes but now you seem to abandon them for trans causes. Its not like nothing bad has ever happened. Women have a legit safety issue.

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

Fair enough. But explain this to me, then. If you (and I use 'you' to mean the general GOP, not you personally) are soooooooo concerned about women's safety, and you're sooooooo deeply concerned that men are transitioning just to prey on women in bathrooms, why are you not concerned at all about the men who are preying on women (sometimes even underage ones!) out in the open and becoming elected officials? I think if you are very honest with yourself, you know that it isn't some altruistic concern about women's safety.

 

[MOUNTAINH33L]

Trans people are four times more likely than cisgender people to be victims of violent crime.

More than 40% of transgender adults in the United States have attempted suicide.

GQP: Good.

You fucking people are monsters.

 

[lawtig02]

Its likely less of an issue to men. But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings. Don't be so dismissive of women's feelings. The dems used to champion women's causes but now you seem to abandon them for trans causes. Its not like nothing bad has ever happened. Women have a legit safety issue.

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

That story has been discussed at extreme length so no need to rehash it. But here, what's the risk to MTG and Nancy Mace? Are they really concerned a fellow House member will sexually assault them in the bathroom next to the House chamber? I'd be more concerned about getting bitch slapped by Jasmine Crockett than being assaulted by Sarah McBride.

 

[CFordUNC]

I don't care about transgender people any more or any less than I care about anyone else- which is to say, that I think that each and every single human being deserves to be treated with dignity/civility and with the same basic expectation of human rights. Doesn't matter whether you're straight, gay, transgender, Black, white, Latino, Asian, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindi, Sikh, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, questioning, or anything else.

It's so wild to me that the same exact people who accuse the Democrats of 'IdEnTiTy PoLiTiCs aLL tHe TiMe" are the ones who are screaming about....transgender people....all the time, even when the transgender people aren't screaming about transgender people (Sarah McBride did not run her campaign based on her identity).

 

[superrific]

But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings.

I have never met a single woman who thinks it's an issue at all. Not a one.

 

[superrific]

Or you could just understand that it's common sense and the mentality of the working class that women don't want biological men in their bathrooms and find a way to create facilities for trans people. But nope, we want to continue to be elite and deeper thinkers and then act like double digit IQ thinkers when the election results role in and then post meltdown videos on tik toc

Just out of curiosity, about this biological man thing -- what do you say about people who were born as men, but underwent surgery and now have no penis but a vagina? Which bathroom? Why?

 

[lawtig02]

I don't care about transgender people any more or any less than I care about anyone else- which is to say, that I think that each and every single human being deserves to be treated with dignity/civility and with the same basic expectation of human rights. Doesn't matter whether you're straight, gay, transgender, Black, white, Latino, Asian, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindi, Sikh, Jewish, atheist, agnostic, questioning, or anything else.

It's so wild to me that the same exact people who accuse the Democrats of 'IdEnTiTy PoLiTiCs aLL tHe TiMe" are the ones who are screaming about....transgender people....all the time, even when the transgender people aren't screaming about transgender people (Sarah McBride did not run her campaign based on her identity).

 

[CFordUNC]

I'm going to wear that shirt specifically for my two-year-old toddler. No one warned me that the last bathroom visit I'd ever get to make in peace and quiet was the day before he learned how to turn door handles.

 

[lawtig02]

I'm going to wear that shirt specifically for my two-year-old toddler. No one warned me that the last bathroom visit I'd ever get to make in peace and quiet was the day before he learned how to turn door handles.

I think I want someone like Rep. Crockett to move on the House floor that the sergeant at arms inspect MTG's genitals, because she's concerned MTG may be violating Speaker Johnson's new rule by using the women's restroom.

 

[UNCatTech]

This pops up in a number of contexts, but to me this new action by the Speaker in the House (in anticipation of the first transgender person, Sarah McBride, being elected to the US House) is part of the continued scapegoating of a tiny minority for political point scoring and just intentional cruelty.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5000006-speaker-johnson-transgender-bathroom-policy/?email=066c0990fa413d52c3842f29a42abb22ffa00eae&emaila=02c3337a6605235631b8cab2e023d54e&emailb=e0d37ab6f97ed06914f0e75a1ebed673001a81f7f84978ff9209f3e23f7ba5d3&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=11.20.24%20RS%20-%20News%20Alert%20-%20Johnson

Speaker Johnson announces policy barring trans women from Capitol bathrooms​

"Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) announced on Wednesday that transgender women are not permitted to use bathrooms in the Capitol that match their gender identity, taking a stance on the hot-button issue that has overtaken the Capitol in recent days.

The policy — which Johnson announced in a public statement, a draft of which was first reported by The Hill — will also apply to bathrooms in House office buildings, changing rooms and locker rooms. It is unclear when he plans to publish the comments.

Under House rules, the Speaker has “general control” of facilities in the chamber, giving him the authority to issue the policy surrounding bathrooms.

... Johnson’s statement — which was made on Transgender Day of Remembrance, recognized annually to memorialize trans people who lost their lives to anti-trans violence — comes days after Rep. Nancy Mace (R-S.C.) introduced a bill to bar transgender women from facilities on Capitol Hill that match their gender identity, a response to the election earlier this month of Rep.-elect Sarah McBride (D-Del.). ..."

McBride will be the first openly transgender person elected to Congress."

Blocking use of all bathrooms?

Where should she use the restroom?

Maybe she can take a dump in Mike Johnson's office.

Maybe it will stop Johnson from sharing porn sites with his son.

 

[lawtig02]

Blocking use of all bathrooms?

Where should she use the restroom?

Maybe she can take a dump in Mike Johnson's office.

Maybe it will stop Johnson from sharing porn sites with his son.

Wouldn't be the first time human feces has been in that office.

 

[UNCatTech]

Any moment now, Republican voters will demand that their politicians quit obsessing over people’s genitals and quit caring about who is pissing and shitting in what bathrooms where, and start reducing inflation, lowering our prices, securing our border, and making America great again. Any moment now. Just you wait!

No they need this for the distraction as they fuck those that voted for them with higher taxes and higher retail cost.

 

[UNCatTech]

Didn't you just get your ass kicked based on that mentality? I mean it was epic. Now you want to double down on dumb. Women don't want biological men in their bathrooms. It isn't hard to grasp. That doesn't make them bad people. Quit demonizing the majority and hopefully recognize your opinion is in the minority and if you want to continue the ass kickings then continue to be narrow and close minded.

To me the solution seems simple. Create a trans bathroom. Problem solved.

I really question your definition of ass kicked and epic.

 

[UNCatTech]

Or you could just understand that it's common sense and the mentality of the working class that women don't want biological men in their bathrooms and find a way to create facilities for trans people. But nope, we want to continue to be elite and deeper thinkers and then act like double digit IQ thinkers when the election results role in and then post meltdown videos on tik toc

Whose actually making a big deal out of this?

Had Nancy not seen an opportunity to yell fire in a theater, no one would have thought twice about this.

They have stalls in the restroom it's not like someone is going to walk ina nd actually see the person taking a dump.

 

[UNCatTech]

Its likely less of an issue to men. But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings. Don't be so dismissive of women's feelings. The dems used to champion women's causes but now you seem to abandon them for trans causes. Its not like nothing bad has ever happened. Women have a legit safety issue.

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

Another big issue for women was the right to control medical decisions about their body and their reproductive rights. Did you care to protect those women's rights half as much as you care who might be in the shitter with them?

 

[Paine]

I still don’t think this kind of explicit, venomous transphobia plays well with the average American. I may be wrong, but I think about it this way:

I know it’s a different political environment now, but the HB2 debacle shows that there is a political price to be paid for this kind of “weird” shit by the GOP.

In terms of the “they/them” ad that has gotten so much discussion in the post-election weeks, we shouldn’t be quick to draw conclusions from what it means.

The effectiveness of that ad, IMO, was in how it framed the issue(s) overall. That is, Democrats are for smaller interest groups (trans people, gay people, college graduates, whatever) and Trump is for the “every man” or “average American.” In other words, the effectiveness of the ad (which is still being determined) doesn’t mean this kind of explicit transphobia will be rewarded by the public.

None of this matters in terms of the here and now other than the fact that Democrats need to lean into the @CFordUNC method of talking about how weird it is to be concerned about what bathrooms people are using.

 

[superrific]

I still don’t think this kind of explicit, venomous transphobia plays well with the average American. I may be wrong, but I think about it this way:

I know it’s a different political environment now, but the HB2 debacle shows that there is a political price to be paid for this kind of “weird” shit by the GOP.

In terms of the “they/them” ad that has gotten so much discussion in the post-election weeks, we shouldn’t be quick to draw conclusions from what it means.

The effectiveness of that ad, IMO, was in how it framed the issue(s) overall. That is, Democrats are for smaller interest groups (trans people, gay people, college graduates, whatever) and Trump is for the “every man” or “average American.” In other words, the effectiveness of the ad (which is still being determined) doesn’t mean this kind of explicit transphobia will be rewarded by the public.

None of this matters in terms of the here and now other than the fact that Democrats need to lean into the @CFordUNC method of talking about how weird it is to be concerned about what bathrooms people are using.

You're right about that ad. It was effective because it tied Trump's favorite conspiratorial villain -- literally "They" or "Them" -- to Kamala in a way that also highlighted the trans issue.

But otherwise -- maybe we should think of their trans emphasis as like insulin. It makes possible the absorption of other conspiracies.

Were you the person who pointed out that their hysteria about trans is predominantly one-way, and that it is about gender ultimately? Anyway, I completely agree with that. It's correct.

On the other hand, I didn't follow HB1 closely but wasn't the real problem that it was costly? That it was chasing away businesses?

 

[lawtig02]

I still don’t think this kind of explicit, venomous transphobia plays well with the average American. I may be wrong, but I think about it this way:

I know it’s a different political environment now, but the HB2 debacle shows that there is a political price to be paid for this kind of “weird” shit by the GOP.

In terms of the “they/them” ad that has gotten so much discussion in the post-election weeks, we shouldn’t be quick to draw conclusions from what it means.

The effectiveness of that ad, IMO, was in how it framed the issue(s) overall. That is, Democrats are for smaller interest groups (trans people, gay people, college graduates, whatever) and Trump is for the “every man” or “average American.” In other words, the effectiveness of the ad (which is still being determined) doesn’t mean this kind of explicit transphobia will be rewarded by the public.

None of this matters in terms of the here and now other than the fact that Democrats need to lean into the @CFordUNC method of talking about how weird it is to be concerned about what bathrooms people are using.

Agree with you about the ad. Not sure I agree about HB2. While that was a disaster for the Pubs in the short term, I think it's actually an underappreciated part of the reason Pubs moved so rapidly away from corporatism and toward populism in the following years. Huge percentages of people looked at the corporate blowback to HB2 and concluded corporate America was hopelessly woke and fundamentally unaligned with their values. That was part of the process that severed the remaining ties between the GOP base and the party's business-first roots, and created space for a "burn it all down" anarchist like Trump to fill.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Its likely less of an issue to men. But it is a big issue with women and I understand their feelings. Don't be so dismissive of women's feelings. The dems used to champion women's causes but now you seem to abandon them for trans causes. Its not like nothing bad has ever happened. Women have a legit safety issue.

Virginia family sues school system for $30 million over student's sexual assault in bathroom

A teenager and her parents have filed a $30 million lawsuit against a Virginia school system after she was sexually assaulted in a women’s restroom by a male student.

apnews.com

You seem to have a habit of not reading your own links. Why is that?