GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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nycfan said:
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Wonder what happens here. I support the gay pride Christmas tree, but I understand there are plenty of people that don't. I wouldn't think the mayor would have the ability to pick and choose what organizations get to put up a Christmas tree but maybe that only applies to religion. I know when mangers go up on the courthouse lawn, the Church of Satan and spaghetti monsters aren't too far behind.

Also, looks like nyc has switched to Blue sky. That basically puts the stake in the heart of Twitter.
 
lawtig02 said:
Leaving aside the inaccurate characterizations of gender dysphoria in your post, what about Sarah McBride’s appearance would cause a woman who encounters her in the restroom to think she’s a biological man?
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Well in her particular case she’s a public figure that everyone knows is a biological man. In the case of other anonymous women, yeah fair point. I’m not arguing against the possibility that many women may have been in the bathroom with biological men before and never even known it.

That still doesn’t make it right in my mind to make extra accommodations for the transgender women and make the other women play along though. I believe there’s a reasonable societal expectation that when you enter a bathroom or locker room or shower, you are sharing that facility with people who are members of the same sex as you.

If all we’re talking is two people peeing in stalls next to each other this is mostly all moot. If this is your daughter playing on a high school women’s volleyball team and hitting the showers in the locker room beside a recently transitioned transgender person who was born a male, totally different discussion and in this case it’s way across the line of what should be allowed.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Well in her particular case she’s a public figure that everyone knows is a biological man. In the case of other anonymous women, yeah fair point. I’m not arguing against the possibility that many women may have been in the bathroom with biological men before and never even known it.

That still doesn’t make it right in my mind to make extra accommodations for the transgender women and make the other women play along though. I believe there’s a reasonable societal expectation that when you enter a bathroom or locker room or shower, you are sharing that facility with people who are members of the same sex as you.

If all we’re talking is two people peeing in stalls next to each other this is mostly all moot. If this is your daughter playing on a high school women’s volleyball team and hitting the showers in the locker room beside a recently transitioned transgender person who was born a male, totally different discussion and in this case it’s way across the line of what should be allowed.
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1. I really hope (if you have kids) that they are not gender dysphoric cause they will be at extremely high risk.
2. If my daughter has a recently transitioned male to female on her team, who has undergone hormonal therapy and possibly surgery, I would hope and expect she would treat that person with respect. There is an almost zero chance a newly transitioned teen is going to shower in front of others
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Well in her particular case she’s a public figure that everyone knows is a biological man. In the case of other anonymous women, yeah fair point. I’m not arguing against the possibility that many women may have been in the bathroom with biological men before and never even known it.

That still doesn’t make it right in my mind to make extra accommodations for the transgender women and make the other women play along though. I believe there’s a reasonable societal expectation that when you enter a bathroom or locker room or shower, you are sharing that facility with people who are members of the same sex as you.

If all we’re talking is two people peeing in stalls next to each other this is mostly all moot. If this is your daughter playing on a high school women’s volleyball team and hitting the showers in the locker room beside a recently transitioned transgender person who was born a male, totally different discussion and in this case it’s way across the line of what should be allowed.
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Sarah McBride could walk by me 100 times in the next hour and I couldn’t identify her.

Until the bigoted Trumplican Party started talking about McBride, I’d never heard of her.

She’s in the US House and she’s not a Trumplican.

That’s all I need to know.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
If this is your daughter playing on a high school women’s volleyball team and hitting the showers in the locker room beside a recently transitioned transgender person who was born a male, totally different discussion and in this case it’s way across the line of what should be allowed.
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Perhaps it is a question for the team and the trans individual, not the government? The trans individual may not be comfortable in the locker room and it may be moot. The team may be comfortable with their trans teammate in the locker room - after all, they would know this person pretty well. It's not that uncommon for high school girls play on the football team, so clearly accommodations can be made if necessary. But the focus is so much on protecting women and I can't help but feel much of it is patriarchal. Maybe not all women feel like they need protection here?
 
I still think that a lot of this is a way to fight this issue without involving a discussion of how males would feel about a trans person in theirs. They don't want to face how they would feel or how they would react so they've turned it into an act of chivalry.
 
They had 20+ trees, not a tree. Was this tree remarkable compared to the others? I assume any sort of mental health council shouldn't be included.
 
finesse said:
They had 20+ trees, not a tree. Was this tree remarkable compared to the others? I assume any sort of mental health council shouldn't be included.
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From the story: "He told News 2 the tree broke the decoration policy. For example, trees with political statements were not allowed".
 
finesse said:
But you said nothing meaningful either time. Your first remark was pointless and frivolous and your second an attempt to change the subject.
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I think my first comment was on point. I think it's incredibly odd for the state to have a Christmas tree focused on sexual attraction and a mental disorder.
 
ZenMode said:
I think my first comment was on point. I think it's incredibly odd for the state to have a Christmas tree focused on sexual attraction and a mental disorder.
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I think it's odd for the state to have a Christmas tree or trees at all. What would be the difference if it were a mental health center? They deal with those all the time. What if it was an evangelical church? In my mind, they are carriers of a mental disorder. What makes this tree different other than your prejudices?

Properly, all the trees should be treated the same. Is it clear that happened? Was there something other than the cause alone that made this different? If you were to make your objection from that POV that there was a demonstrable difference your opinion might actually be worth more than as a bad example.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
The answer here for me is that if she uses the women’s restroom, she’s putting other biological women in an awkward spot where they’re in the bathroom with a biological man.

If she uses the men’s restroom, it’s likely more awkward for her as the transgender person but it’s not like she’s never been in men’s restrooms. I can see how that would be awkward for her now that she believes she’s a woman, but that awkwardness is at least resting with the person who made the decision to change their gender and not with unsuspecting others who are forced to play along.

So for me it comes down to, someone is going to be uncomfortable either way, and it comes down to whether you’d rather make random females play along with her gender identity or if you’d rather make her play along with her birth sex.
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How are biological women going to know there's a trans woman in the bathroom with them? Do you think there's any point during a visit to the women's restroom when anyone sees anyone else's genitals? What do you think is more likely to make women more uncomfortable in the restroom - if they see a trans woman or a trans man?
 
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