GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[PTOHeel]

Like I mentioned, this is getting into a much bigger topic that would only derail the thread. To answer your two questions, no, I don't feel pride that i'm American. I feel fortunate and generally happy to have been born in America. If I were alive in the early 20th century, I'd probably be happy to be white, but wouldn't feel any pride about it because I had absolutely no control over it. I'm happy for my kids that they are generally quality people. I'm happy that my wife and I managed to create an environment that produced quality children but I don't feel pride about any of it because it's ultimately out of my/our/their control.

You must be absolutely bewildered on the 4th of July.

 

[UNCatTech]

Are you proud to be an American? Are you proud of your kids?

I guess we're going back to this thing where you decide to impose your own weird set of constraints on the English language and insist everyone else respect them. "Pride" is the opposite of "ashamed." For most of this country's history, gay people were told to be ashamed of themselves, forced to be ashamed of themselves, internalized the shame and often ended up hating themselves. "Pride" is the opposite of that. When we talk about black pride, gay pride, trans pride -- it's all about communicating to people that they need not be ashamed of themselves, that they can be as self-confident in their identities as the straightest whitest man around.

Zen does like very narrow definitions, when they fit his narrative.

Why can we simply treat people with decency?

When we meet people is it really necessary to ask 20 questions before we decide how to treat them?

 

[TangledUpInBlue06]

You have no pride in who you are?

There are many aspects of your life that you don't specifically control.

The term means they are proud of themselves, not simply their sexual orientation.

Or perhaps they're proud of their decision to live authentically. That's something they control.

 

[UNCatTech]

Or perhaps they're proud of their decision to live authentically. That's something they control.

Yes, that's clearer and and a better statement, it's what I was going for saying proud of themselves.

 

[superrific]

I guess I'm not aware of a definition of pride that would make sense when it comes to things we have no control over.

Let me help you with that. Note that none of these definitions include "having control over" as a necessary element. See also:

Definition of PRIDE

the quality or state of being proud: such as; reasonable self-esteem : confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect; pleasure that comes from some relationship, association, achievement, or possession that is seen as a source of honor, respect, etc.… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

pride

1. a feeling of pleasure and satisfaction that you get because you or people…

dictionary.cambridge.org

I think what we've established here is that you haven't really understood the word pride. Hopefully the discussion will fix that, you will learn something (or at least stop pretending not to know it), and we can go about our way.

 

[farce©]

Sigh....

Gender dysphoria (GD), according to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 5), is defined as a "marked incongruence between their experienced or expressed gender and the one they were assigned at birth." It was previously termed "gender identity disorder."

Gender Dysphoria - StatPearls - NCBI Bookshelf

Sigh. There is a reason they stopped referring to it as a "disorder."

According to the Cleveland Clinic....

"Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness. Rather, it describes the uneasiness stemming from the mismatch between the experienced gender and assigned sex at birth. However, some of the unpleasant feelings that sometimes accompany gender dysphoria include:

• Anxiety.
• Depression.
• Eating disorders.
• Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
• Substance abuse.

Although gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, when not addressed, it may lead to worsening mood issues, depression and anxiety, and may further complicate the issues the individuals may be having. Insurance may cover some illnesses associated with gender dysphoria and gender dysphoria care."

 

[ZenMode]

Let me help you with that. Note that none of these definitions include "having control over" as a necessary element. See also:

Definition of PRIDE

the quality or state of being proud: such as; reasonable self-esteem : confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect; pleasure that comes from some relationship, association, achievement, or possession that is seen as a source of honor, respect, etc.… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

pride

1. a feeling of pleasure and satisfaction that you get because you or people…

dictionary.cambridge.org

I think what we've established here is that you haven't really understood the word pride. Hopefully the discussion will fix that, you will learn something (or at least stop pretending not to know it), and we can go about our way.

I agree that none of the definitions specifically say "having control over". Maybe the better way to describe it, rather than saying it doesn't meet the definition, is to say that pride in a characteristic (intelligence, drive, honesty) doesn't make sense without an assumption of control and pride because of an association with a group (example from the definition) makes no sense at all because none of us controls the characteristic (sexual attraction) that puts us in a group.

 

[ZenMode]

Sigh. There is a reason they stopped referring to it as a "disorder."

According to the Cleveland Clinic....

"Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness. Rather, it describes the uneasiness stemming from the mismatch between the experienced gender and assigned sex at birth. However, some of the unpleasant feelings that sometimes accompany gender dysphoria include:

• Anxiety.
• Depression.
• Eating disorders.
• Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD).
• Substance abuse.

Although gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, when not addressed, it may lead to worsening mood issues, depression and anxiety, and may further complicate the issues the individuals may be having. Insurance may cover some illnesses associated with gender dysphoria and gender dysphoria care."

I'm not sure who "they" are that you're referring to but DSM 5, which I referenced, is the most recent version, so someone is still referring to it as a disorder.

 

[nycfan]

Eventually he realized his base wanted him to go after Transgender Americans, so he did.

 

[superrific]

I agree that none of the definitions specifically say "having control over". Maybe the better way to describe it, rather than saying it doesn't meet the definition, is to say that pride in a characteristic (intelligence, drive, honesty) doesn't make sense without an assumption of control and pride because of an association with a group (example from the definition) makes no sense at all because none of us controls the characteristic (sexual attraction) that puts us in a group.

Or maybe people think of pride as something different, and not necessarily related to, accomplishment. It would help you to remember that your preconceptions are not in fact universal. Everyone is an outlier sometimes. You just need to be able to recognize it.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

I have no clue what percentage of the population is transgender but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone at some point has been in a public restroom with a transgender person and never knew it because they had already transitioned and was effectively operating as their preferred gender. With that being said, the key is, no one ever knew. I do think people would be a little uneasy if they did know. That is why I think the McBride issue is a bit different, people know McBride is a biological male, so if they see this person in the women's restroom, they know there is a male in the women's restroom.

 

[lawtig02]

I have no clue what percentage of the population is transgender but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone at some point has been in a public restroom with a transgender person and never knew it because they had already transitioned and was effectively operating as their preferred gender. With that being said, the key is, no one ever knew. I do think people would be a little uneasy if they did know. That is why I think the McBride issue is a bit different, people know McBride is a biological male, so if they see this person in the women's restroom, they know there is a male in the women's restroom.

I agree with most of your post, but do you really think someone would be likely to recognize McBride in a restroom. I’m about as plugged into politics as anyone. I’ve seen her photo. There’s about a 0.1% chance of recognize her if I saw her in the wild.

 

[nycfan]

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A volleyball player’s gender led to secret votes, pressure campaigns and forfeits​

An athlete at San José State University is alleged to be transgender. A review of internal communications shows how coaches and administrators navigated the response.​

“… The San José State player is in her fourth college season and has appeared in every match the team has played this year. The Washington Post is not naming the player because she has not spoken publicly about her identity and the school has not commented on it. But in September, San José State captain Brooke Slusser said in a lawsuit that she has a transgender teammate, sparking a firestorm in the Mountain West conference.

With the season winding down, five teams, including four in the Mountain West, have forfeited matches against San José State. This month, Slusser and nine more players in the conference sued the Mountain West, its commissioner and San José State Coach Todd Kress, among others, seeking an emergency order to bar the player from competing in next week’s conference tournament in Las Vegas. The new lawsuit also asks for forfeits against SJSU to not count as conference losses and to have the standings redrawn without factoring in those matches.

… The NCAA requires transgender athletes to complete one year of testosterone suppression treatment before competing on a women’s team. The Mountain West’s policy, as of 2022, is that an athlete can compete if they meet those requirements.

… Along with the 10 active players, Melissa Batie-Smoose, SJSU’s associate head coach who is suspended from the program, is also in the group bringing the suit. She is against having a player who is alleged to be transgender on the Spartans’ roster — and she had filed a Title IX complaint alleging the player conspired with an opponent to injure Slusser, the SJSU captain who is also part of the lawsuit.

Kress told ESPN that a media report on the accusations in the complaint was “littered with lies.”

The Mountain West later found “insufficient evidence” to corroborate the allegations, according to a person familiar with the conference’s process. A school spokeswoman declined to offer specifics on why Batie-Smoose is away from the team. Batie-Smoose did not respond to a request for comment. …”

 

[nycfan]

 

[nycfan]

The supportive responses to this and related stories is depressing. Country that indiscriminately bombs civilian targets & kidnaps children from other countries they attack to force adoptions and convert the children to Russian patriots is being celebrated by American right for protecting children and defending traditional values.

Sample (notice all the blue checks — paid subscribers to Xitter):

 

[finesse]

Not that surprising. Putin's using the Russian Orthodox Church the same way that the 'pubs are using the Evangelicals. They make an appeal to those people's visceral prejudices to distract them from what is being done to them.

 

[nycfan]

Not that surprising. Putin's using the Russian Orthodox Church the same way that the 'pubs are using the Evangelicals. They make an appeal to those people's visceral prejudices to distract them from what is being done to them.

I'm not at all surprised by any of it, and Putin is obvious in what he is doing, but even though it is not surprising, I still am disappointed that so many Americans blindly back Putin this way.

 

[finesse]

I'm not at all surprised by any of it, and Putin is obvious in what he is doing, but even though it is not surprising, I still am disappointed that so many Americans blindly back Putin this way.

Clan before country. Sorry if that's misspelled.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

The supportive responses to this and related stories is depressing. Country that indiscriminately bombs civilian targets & kidnaps children from other countries they attack to force adoptions and convert the children to Russian patriots is being celebrated by American right for protecting children and defending traditional values.

Sample (notice all the blue checks — paid subscribers to Xitter):

It's interesting that many of those comments supporting Putin's stance are aimed not just as transgenders, but the LGBTQ community generally. I'm convinced that attacking transgenders is just a wedge issue for Trumpers to go after the much broader and larger LGBTQ community as a whole. Most of these people have never accepted gay marriage or gay rights, and they're just waiting for the chance to legally roll it all back.

 

[CFordUNC]