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Yes, that's clearer and and a better statement, it's what I was going for saying proud of themselves.
GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans
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superrific
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Let me help you with that. Note that none of these definitions include "having control over" as a necessary element. See also:
Definition of PRIDE
the quality or state of being proud: such as; reasonable self-esteem : confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect; pleasure that comes from some relationship, association, achievement, or possession that is seen as a source of honor, respect, etc.… See the full definition
www.merriam-webster.com
pride
1. a feeling of pleasure and satisfaction that you get because you or people…
I think what we've established here is that you haven't really understood the word pride. Hopefully the discussion will fix that, you will learn something (or at least stop pretending not to know it), and we can go about our way.
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Sigh. There is a reason they stopped referring to it as a "disorder."
According to the Cleveland Clinic....
"Gender dysphoria isn’t a mental illness. Rather, it describes the uneasiness stemming from the mismatch between the experienced gender and assigned sex at birth. However, some of the unpleasant feelings that sometimes accompany gender dysphoria include:
Although gender dysphoria is not a mental illness, when not addressed, it may lead to worsening mood issues, depression and anxiety, and may further complicate the issues the individuals may be having. Insurance may cover some illnesses associated with gender dysphoria and gender dysphoria care."
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I agree that none of the definitions specifically say "having control over". Maybe the better way to describe it, rather than saying it doesn't meet the definition, is to say that pride in a characteristic (intelligence, drive, honesty) doesn't make sense without an assumption of control and pride because of an association with a group (example from the definition) makes no sense at all because none of us controls the characteristic (sexual attraction) that puts us in a group.Let me help you with that. Note that none of these definitions include "having control over" as a necessary element. See also:
Definition of PRIDE
the quality or state of being proud: such as; reasonable self-esteem : confidence and satisfaction in oneself : self-respect; pleasure that comes from some relationship, association, achievement, or possession that is seen as a source of honor, respect, etc.… See the full definitionpride
1. a feeling of pleasure and satisfaction that you get because you or people…dictionary.cambridge.org
I think what we've established here is that you haven't really understood the word pride. Hopefully the discussion will fix that, you will learn something (or at least stop pretending not to know it), and we can go about our way.
ZenMode
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I'm not sure who "they" are that you're referring to but DSM 5, which I referenced, is the most recent version, so someone is still referring to it as a disorder.
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Or maybe people think of pride as something different, and not necessarily related to, accomplishment. It would help you to remember that your preconceptions are not in fact universal. Everyone is an outlier sometimes. You just need to be able to recognize it.
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I have no clue what percentage of the population is transgender but I'd be willing to bet that pretty much everyone at some point has been in a public restroom with a transgender person and never knew it because they had already transitioned and was effectively operating as their preferred gender. With that being said, the key is, no one ever knew. I do think people would be a little uneasy if they did know. That is why I think the McBride issue is a bit different, people know McBride is a biological male, so if they see this person in the women's restroom, they know there is a male in the women's restroom.
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I agree with most of your post, but do you really think someone would be likely to recognize McBride in a restroom. I’m about as plugged into politics as anyone. I’ve seen her photo. There’s about a 0.1% chance of recognize her if I saw her in the wild.
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“… The San José State player is in her fourth college season and has appeared in every match the team has played this year. The Washington Post is not naming the player because she has not spoken publicly about her identity and the school has not commented on it. But in September, San José State captain Brooke Slusser said in a lawsuit that she has a transgender teammate, sparking a firestorm in the Mountain West conference.
With the season winding down, five teams, including four in the Mountain West, have forfeited matches against San José State. This month, Slusser and nine more players in the conference sued the Mountain West, its commissioner and San José State Coach Todd Kress, among others, seeking an emergency order to bar the player from competing in next week’s conference tournament in Las Vegas. The new lawsuit also asks for forfeits against SJSU to not count as conference losses and to have the standings redrawn without factoring in those matches.
… The NCAA requires transgender athletes to complete one year of testosterone suppression treatment before competing on a women’s team. The Mountain West’s policy, as of 2022, is that an athlete can compete if they meet those requirements.
… Along with the 10 active players, Melissa Batie-Smoose, SJSU’s associate head coach who is suspended from the program, is also in the group bringing the suit. She is against having a player who is alleged to be transgender on the Spartans’ roster — and she had filed a Title IX complaint alleging the player conspired with an opponent to injure Slusser, the SJSU captain who is also part of the lawsuit.
Kress told ESPN that a media report on the accusations in the complaint was “littered with lies.”
The Mountain West later found “insufficient evidence” to corroborate the allegations, according to a person familiar with the conference’s process. A school spokeswoman declined to offer specifics on why Batie-Smoose is away from the team. Batie-Smoose did not respond to a request for comment. …”
A volleyball player’s gender led to secret votes, pressure campaigns and forfeits
An athlete at San José State University is alleged to be transgender. A review of internal communications shows how coaches and administrators navigated the response.
“… The San José State player is in her fourth college season and has appeared in every match the team has played this year. The Washington Post is not naming the player because she has not spoken publicly about her identity and the school has not commented on it. But in September, San José State captain Brooke Slusser said in a lawsuit that she has a transgender teammate, sparking a firestorm in the Mountain West conference.
With the season winding down, five teams, including four in the Mountain West, have forfeited matches against San José State. This month, Slusser and nine more players in the conference sued the Mountain West, its commissioner and San José State Coach Todd Kress, among others, seeking an emergency order to bar the player from competing in next week’s conference tournament in Las Vegas. The new lawsuit also asks for forfeits against SJSU to not count as conference losses and to have the standings redrawn without factoring in those matches.
… The NCAA requires transgender athletes to complete one year of testosterone suppression treatment before competing on a women’s team. The Mountain West’s policy, as of 2022, is that an athlete can compete if they meet those requirements.
… Along with the 10 active players, Melissa Batie-Smoose, SJSU’s associate head coach who is suspended from the program, is also in the group bringing the suit. She is against having a player who is alleged to be transgender on the Spartans’ roster — and she had filed a Title IX complaint alleging the player conspired with an opponent to injure Slusser, the SJSU captain who is also part of the lawsuit.
Kress told ESPN that a media report on the accusations in the complaint was “littered with lies.”
The Mountain West later found “insufficient evidence” to corroborate the allegations, according to a person familiar with the conference’s process. A school spokeswoman declined to offer specifics on why Batie-Smoose is away from the team. Batie-Smoose did not respond to a request for comment. …”
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The supportive responses to this and related stories is depressing. Country that indiscriminately bombs civilian targets & kidnaps children from other countries they attack to force adoptions and convert the children to Russian patriots is being celebrated by American right for protecting children and defending traditional values.
Sample (notice all the blue checks — paid subscribers to Xitter):
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I'm not at all surprised by any of it, and Putin is obvious in what he is doing, but even though it is not surprising, I still am disappointed that so many Americans blindly back Putin this way.
Clan before country. Sorry if that's misspelled.
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The supportive responses to this and related stories is depressing. Country that indiscriminately bombs civilian targets & kidnaps children from other countries they attack to force adoptions and convert the children to Russian patriots is being celebrated by American right for protecting children and defending traditional values.
Sample (notice all the blue checks — paid subscribers to Xitter):
It's interesting that many of those comments supporting Putin's stance are aimed not just as transgenders, but the LGBTQ community generally. I'm convinced that attacking transgenders is just a wedge issue for Trumpers to go after the much broader and larger LGBTQ community as a whole. Most of these people have never accepted gay marriage or gay rights, and they're just waiting for the chance to legally roll it all back.
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Completely agree with McBride on this. Republicans don’t actually care about the transgender issue. They just know that the simpleton morons in their base are so obsessive with what genitals other people have or take a shit or piss, that they pretend to care about the transgender issue so they can implement bunch of cuts and policies that are extraordinarily unpopular even with said simpleton morons in their base.
Look to this thread for proof. There are multiple Republican voters on this very thread who claimed over the last three years that they have no choice but to vote Trump for economic reasons, despite those people presumably having enjoyed the fruits of the greatest economy in the world over those last three years along with the rest of us. Yet here they are in here obsessed with legislating who uses what when and where. Guess it was never about those kitchen table economic issues after all!
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There are some white Evangelical Pub politicians to whom these issues are mission critical but I agree that the culture war preoccupation is largely sleight of hand for Pubs in power to fleece lower and middle class Americans.
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In my opinion, McBride is handling this correctly. Just address and open letter to Mace and have her decide which restroom is the "appropriate" one and move on with it.
Hell, put a porta-john on the floor and use that. Neuter the moron in her tracks. That's really all anyone can do because we are ruled by the morons.
Hell, put a porta-john on the floor and use that. Neuter the moron in her tracks. That's really all anyone can do because we are ruled by the morons.