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GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans
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“Competition is never equal, and it is only sort of, approximately, occasionally fair. The best we can ask is that it be meaningful, that it teach us something about ourselves. This is the context in which transgender athletes enter into sport, and the people who would reduce this self-seeking to an unfair “them” against “us” are missing the point entirely: Sport doesn’t tell us who we are biologically, but spiritually, and psychologically, and the first thing it tells us is not to be victims. So it’s a step backward for so many women athletes to cry frailty in the debate over trans participation. …”
In transgender fight, volleyball ‘saviors’ miss the point of sports
There are no easy answers in the San José State volleyball controversy, but those reducing the issue to “them” against “us” are missing the point.“Competition is never equal, and it is only sort of, approximately, occasionally fair. The best we can ask is that it be meaningful, that it teach us something about ourselves. This is the context in which transgender athletes enter into sport, and the people who would reduce this self-seeking to an unfair “them” against “us” are missing the point entirely: Sport doesn’t tell us who we are biologically, but spiritually, and psychologically, and the first thing it tells us is not to be victims. So it’s a step backward for so many women athletes to cry frailty in the debate over trans participation. …”
Mulberry Heel
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No doubt they're missing the point, and no doubt there are no easy answers in reality, but we all know that to Trumpers and the athletes complaining about this issue that it is indeed a very simple issue, and they don't care about the complexities or how it looks or if it is a step backwards for women's sports. They want transgenders barred from playing in women's sports, period, and won't be satisfied with anything else. And given where we are politically right now it's very likely that they're going to get their way, both in red states and probably even at the national level if our GOP President, GOP Congress, and GOP Supreme Court wants to push it, which given the effectiveness of attacks on transgenders in the presidential campaign they likely will.
superrific
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If I was a coach of a volleyball team, and any of my players refused to play against any team for any reason related to that team, they would quickly be ex-players. I don't mean refuse to play because of injury.
And if I was coach of a team, and one of my players went to court to try to get another player -- her teammate! -- prevented from playing, I would take an even stronger approach. Wouldn't kick her off the team. Just bench her ass and give her crazy amounts of cardio workouts until she quit the team out of frustration.
And if I was coach of a team, and one of my players went to court to try to get another player -- her teammate! -- prevented from playing, I would take an even stronger approach. Wouldn't kick her off the team. Just bench her ass and give her crazy amounts of cardio workouts until she quit the team out of frustration.
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Oh, she has her eye on you for sure...
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Holy forkin'
... Americuns need dem some betta edumakation. Actually, that only 31% have a gun is a pleasant surprise! I definitely overestimated that.
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Me three.
tarheelbillie
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Sounds as if somewhere in the Capital Complex there's going to be a Porta Potty. Haven't these idiots heard of unisex restrooms. They are common.
True, and many people who identify as Jewish don't believe in God. And of course, some people have a belief in a "higher power" -- which is so amorphous and vague as to effectively be atheist (but for the negative connotation of the word).
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There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.
There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.
This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.
This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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This is a bad post and you should feel bad for posting it.
ZenMode
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What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.
Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
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lawtig02
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What about the many biological women who aren’t comfortable having biological women who present as men using their restrooms/locker rooms/showers? Why are you not concerned about them?
Do you really think that side cares about women? This is a masque to hide the males' anxiety. Everybody who isn't lying to themselves know that trans people are more likely by far to be assaulted than to do the assaulting.
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lawtig02
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I was just pointing out to Zen that any “solution” to this issue will cause people who are willing to be offended to be offended. There’s not a perfect answer. So, in my view, we do what’s in the best interest of the group that’s really the most vulnerable. Even if that means other groups might take offense. That’s the moral thing to do.
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Yea, we get it, you're fine with marginalizing minoritie groups based on supposed feelings of a all of the majority group, while ignoring the feelings of those you are marginalizing.
We understand, you have made it clear that you want LBGTQ people back in the closet where they belong. I guess pretending they don't exist makes you feel better.
You can now stop repeating yourself.
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If someone votes for Trump because they want to marginalize people, then there is no changing them. FUCK them.
And, even if it will make my life harder, I hope Trump does absolutely everything he promised and completely fucks the economy and the country.
That's the only way some will wake up.
But since he's getting the benefits of a good economy going the right direction, his cult will think things are grand.
Just look at the change in perception of the economy since the election.
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Yea, like Nancy Mace, who just a few years ago claimed to be supportive of LBGTQ people. Well, until she realized that wasn't accepted by the cult.
Trans women already go into bathrooms. No one would care if the cult wasn't constantly reminding everyone to be scared of something that isn't really an issue.
ZenMode
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I've said before that there's no obvious, great solution to the problem. No matter how you roll the dice, it's ultimately a zero sum game that involves more than just restrooms/locker rooms and showers.
The primary concern I've heard is biological men in biological women's areas. That doesn't mean there aren't concerns with other rolling of the dice.