GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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If I was a coach of a volleyball team, and any of my players refused to play against any team for any reason related to that team, they would quickly be ex-players. I don't mean refuse to play because of injury.

And if I was coach of a team, and one of my players went to court to try to get another player -- her teammate! -- prevented from playing, I would take an even stronger approach. Wouldn't kick her off the team. Just bench her ass and give her crazy amounts of cardio workouts until she quit the team out of frustration.
 
Sounds as if somewhere in the Capital Complex there's going to be a Porta Potty. Haven't these idiots heard of unisex restrooms. They are common.
 
Lando said:
Many religious nones believe in a god, they simply don't subscribe to a religion. The demonization of LGBTQ people and worship of Trump may not make people atheist, it very well may continue to drive people away from religion.
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True, and many people who identify as Jewish don't believe in God. And of course, some people have a belief in a "higher power" -- which is so amorphous and vague as to effectively be atheist (but for the negative connotation of the word).
 
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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This is a bad post and you should feel bad for posting it.
 
Rock said:
This is a bad post and you should feel bad for posting it.
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What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
 
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You still haven't addressed how much of this is cover for men who this scares the hell out of. I believe this is more the issue than some sort of chivalry on the part of the vociferous male opponents.
 
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ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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What about the many biological women who aren’t comfortable having biological women who present as men using their restrooms/locker rooms/showers? Why are you not concerned about them?
 
lawtig02 said:
What about the many biological women who aren’t comfortable having biological women who present as men using their restrooms/locker rooms/showers? Why are you not concerned about them?
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Do you really think that side cares about women? This is a masque to hide the males' anxiety. Everybody who isn't lying to themselves know that trans people are more likely by far to be assaulted than to do the assaulting.
 
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Do you really think that side care about women? This is a masque to hide the males' anxiety. Everybody who isn't lying to themselves know that trans people are more likely by far to be assaulted than to do the assaulting.
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I was just pointing out to Zen that any “solution” to this issue will cause people who are willing to be offended to be offended. There’s not a perfect answer. So, in my view, we do what’s in the best interest of the group that’s really the most vulnerable. Even if that means other groups might take offense. That’s the moral thing to do.
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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Yea, we get it, you're fine with marginalizing minoritie groups based on supposed feelings of a all of the majority group, while ignoring the feelings of those you are marginalizing.

We understand, you have made it clear that you want LBGTQ people back in the closet where they belong. I guess pretending they don't exist makes you feel better.

You can now stop repeating yourself.
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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If someone votes for Trump because they want to marginalize people, then there is no changing them. FUCK them.

And, even if it will make my life harder, I hope Trump does absolutely everything he promised and completely fucks the economy and the country.

That's the only way some will wake up.

But since he's getting the benefits of a good economy going the right direction, his cult will think things are grand.

Just look at the change in perception of the economy since the election.
 
ZenMode said:
What is bad? In this thread, I've seen posters imply that women who don't want men in their restroom are prudes or are lying. I've seen posters expressing obvious contempt for females who don't want to compete against men in sports. I've seen the idea of using the restroom that aligns with your biological gender as obsessing over genitals or is the result of transphobia.

Maybe I missed it, not only here but in the liberal media in general, but I see virtually no concern for the side of biological females.
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Yea, like Nancy Mace, who just a few years ago claimed to be supportive of LBGTQ people. Well, until she realized that wasn't accepted by the cult.

Trans women already go into bathrooms. No one would care if the cult wasn't constantly reminding everyone to be scared of something that isn't really an issue.
 
lawtig02 said:
What about the many biological women who aren’t comfortable having biological women who present as men using their restrooms/locker rooms/showers? Why are you not concerned about them?
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I've said before that there's no obvious, great solution to the problem. No matter how you roll the dice, it's ultimately a zero sum game that involves more than just restrooms/locker rooms and showers.

The primary concern I've heard is biological men in biological women's areas. That doesn't mean there aren't concerns with other rolling of the dice.
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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So, how often do you or anyone you know go into a public restroom and verify the biology of each person in the restroom?

You don't, none of us do. The fuss is made up.

If women are that worried about trans women, why wouldn't they be worried about straight men that might actually be attracted to women and be preditors?

I mean you do realize that the majority of trans women are not interested in women, don't you?
 
ZenMode said:
There are two sides to the trans/bathroom/locker room /shower issue. The only concern I see expressed is concern for the side of the incredibly small minority (trans). How it makes them feel. How they want to feel comfortable.

There is no concern for the other side, which is all of the biological women who aren't comfortable having biological males in their restroom/locker room/ shower.

This is an example of a Democratic blind spot that I believe has people voting for Trump.
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This is the normal methodology of the right take to the focus away from the actual issue and focus on the fear that gets them the votes they want.

This is a great example. The right keeps talking about trans women in sports and trans women in bathrooms, all the while red states are proposing laws to control LBGTQ medical rights.
 
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