ZenMode
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Let's backtrack to what I originally said on page 15 because this conversation has been taken in any number of different directions from my point. My point was that the two sides of the restroom / locker room/shower debate are treated much differently by liberals In general and as it turns out, by you and most every poster who has weighed in with an opinion. I've listed out the derogatory labels/comments multiple times. In other words, my original point has been proven correct and continues to be proven correct. It's one thing to say you believe trans women should be allowed in female locker rooms. The vitriol does not have to be included in that opinion.Is it your contention that the 43% of people who answered that bathroom question in the affirmative do not overlap with the 30% of people who think gay marriages should be invalid and that society should discourage and not tolerate gayness? Because I think the vast majority of the latter group is included within the former group.
The most annoying thing about you is the way you attempt to control the conversation by refusing to consider any information other than what you bring and you want to find relevant. You have yet to articulate any response at all to the obvious point that the same people who hate gay people and hate abortion and hate birth control also hate trans. In your world, these are all distinct phenomena. People hate gay people because reasons, but that has nothing to do with abortion! Or birth control! And certainly not trans issues, which is only about the discomfort of cis women and nothing else!!! Don't pay attention to the fact that the anti-trans campaign and the anti-gay campaigns of the 1980s and 1990s are essentially identical in structure and messaging! They are completely different issues.
In the real world, there is a sizeable set of people who are motivated by hate and bigotry in pretty much everything they do politically. They are the MAGAs. Why is it, do you think, that the politicians who are most vociferously pushing an anti-trans agenda are ALSO the same ones pushing anti-vaxx agenda, anti-gay agenda, and talking about the need to return to the traditional family? Just a coincidence, since these issues have nothing to do with each other? Is that your position? Because my position is that it's all the same, and I'm extremely confident that I'm right because the evidence is overwhelming and all around us.
This is obviously not a genuine conversation. I've made about 10 points that you've refused to answer, asked multiple questions that have been ignored, and all the while you've been churning out replication posts continuing to make the same debunked points over and over again. Hey, ZenMode, if you say a false thing a dozen times, it's still false! Two dozen, even! The biggest number you can imagine!
You specifically seem to believe that there is not a single cis woman who would have negative feelings about, or made uncomfortable by, a biological male in their bathroom / locker room/shower. You backed off of that claim the tiniest bit in your last post about the 43% polling data. I personally think that was just lip service and, for whatever reason, you either don't or don't want to admit that there are women who would be very uncomfortable with having a biological male around when they are changing, showering or walking to and from the shower. The only support you have provided for that belief is anecdotal. You have spoken to a few women around you that have apparently told you that they wouldn't be bothered by it.
You are in no position to speak for the millions of women who are represented in the polling data. Are there politicians who use the issue for political gain? Yes. Are there The hyper religious women who just hate anything not straight and not cis? Absolutely. But I would bet my life and the life of everyone that I care about that there are women who would feel just as uncomfortable with males in their spaces as the trans women feel being in men's spaces.
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